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2016/12/10 07:10:40
cool
abacab
rogeriodec
This topic motivated me to search for better mixing plugins, where I found these fantastic products from FabFilter.


 
Looks similar to the new LP-MB that is included in Platinum.  Did you even try out the LP-MB?
 



LP-MB and LP-EQ are great tools, the same as FabFilter, but give huge latency and do not have enough convenient analyzer.
2016/12/10 08:08:45
abacab
cool
LP-MB and LP-EQ are great tools, the same as FabFilter, but give huge latency and do not have enough convenient analyzer.



With LP-MB and LP-EQ, just click on the Expert menu and select Precision > Non-Linear.  The huge latency is gone.  You can still use these great tools for their band selection features and spectrum analyzers without incurring the huge buffer impact.  Linear phase processing always needs a look-ahead buffering process to keep your audio in sync, which results in latency.
 
The same steps will need to be taken with FabFilter's linear phase mode.
 
For example: http://www.fabfilter.com/help/pro-q/using/processingmode
 
The Processing Mode button in the bottom bar selects the type of EQ processing. In almost all cases, either Zero Latency or Natural Phase modes will deliver perfect results, and when linear-phase processing is needed, you can of course use Linear Phase mode with a customizable resolution.
 
Zero Latency
In Zero Latency mode, Pro-Q 2 matches the magnitude response of analog EQ'ing as closely as possible, obviously without introducing any latency. It is Pro-Q 2's most effecient processing mode, and absolutely sufficient for most applications.
2016/12/10 08:54:21
cool
abacab
cool
LP-MB and LP-EQ are great tools, the same as FabFilter, but give huge latency and do not have enough convenient analyzer.



With LP-MB and LP-EQ, just click on the Expert menu and select Precision > Non-Linear.  The huge latency is gone.  You can still use these great tools for their band selection features and spectrum analyzers without incurring the huge buffer impact.  Linear phase processing always needs a look-ahead buffering process to keep your audio in sync, which results in latency.
 
The same steps will need to be taken with FabFilter's linear phase mode.
 
For example: http://www.fabfilter.com/help/pro-q/using/processingmode
 




Thank you! Now I checked, this is true for EQ's. But FabFilter MB do not produce huge latency in any of three modes. I don't know why this happens. Logically, latency in the EQ and MB should be the same.
2016/12/10 10:48:13
Anderton
If a plug-in has latency, it's there for a reason. Often times it's lookahead, which increases the precision of dynamics control. Other times it's just because it uses a lot of CPU. Transient Shapers often require both. If you compare a low-latency TS withone that has a lot of latency, odds are you'll favor using the one with more latency.
 
BTW it's not a given that linear-phase always sounds better. At high Q settings, there can be pre-ringing. This is one reason LPs are ideal for mastering, where you want "surgical" EQ and don't need to push the Q much. LP makes the biggest difference at high frequencies but also, remember that the band interactions and phase shifts with conventional EQ are what give them a specific "character." People pay for EQs that emulate vintage console EQs specifically because they DO have anomalies. Also, all things being equal, linear phase EQs will seem to have less of an effect compared to similar settings in a non-LP EQ.
 
I think a lot of the reason people hear big differences among EQs is because there are differences, due to design philosophy and intended goals. For a quick reality check, put the QuadCurve on program material and try out the different curve types. Imagine if each one was a separate EQ module instead of options in a single EQ module. Odds are people would debate which EQ sounds "better."
 
 
2016/12/10 13:03:59
drewfx1
As stated above, LP isn't necessarily "better" but just different. And don't mistake the extra latency or CPU usage as a sign of it being "better" - it's really just that the the processing necessary for achieving linear phase is less efficient and linear phase also necessitates some latency for technical reasons related to the pre-ringing mentioned above.
 
Competently designed modern digital EQ's should all have excellent audio quality - they just produce different frequency and phase responses. Some also add analog modeled distortion/coloration. And of course, some have better UI's than others and some intentionally have limitations to make them particularly suitable for one job or another.
2016/12/10 13:44:09
abacab
I'm having fun with the LP-MB in non-linear mode.  The best feature I see is the flexible band assignments you can work with.  This thing can really do some sound shaping effects!
 
I haven't really used the LP-EQ much, which graphically seems to have a lot in common with the Quadcurve EQ.
2016/12/10 13:51:10
Anderton
What's great about the LP-EQ is being able to EQ left and right channels separately, and do mid-side processing.
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