raisindot
I decided that if I do switch Cubase is the one I'll go to because I primarily build compositions in MIDI and then output audio tracks from my sound modules and VSTs.
Exactly my workflow too.
Tip: The GUI MIDI Device Manager does
not work for adding devices. It's another known bug that's gone unrepaired for years.
If you have to add a MIDI sound module that isn't already among the Cubase defaults, you'll want to create a "patch script" (.txt file). Look in C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Steinberg\Cubase 9_64\Scripts\Patchnames\inactive (for example) and copy one of the supplied files and modify it to suit. Check out the
script documentation.txt file for help. Restart Cubase and the device should appear in the appropriate list. BTW, these files can also be found in C:\Program Files\Steinberg\Cubase 9\Scripts\Patchnames\inactive, but it appears to be a backup - changes made there won't appear in the program.
raisindot
I find the interface absolutely inscrutable. For example, if took me forever to figure out how to get my audio interface to be an output (instead of the stupid generic ASIO driver thing). When you have to look up online help for something as simple as this, trouble is a'comin'.
Yup. And I'm sorry to say it doesn't get better 'til you've worked through every nuance of your routine, learning the Cubase way and optimizing settings to your workflow. Then, it becomes apparent that Cubase can do pretty much anything you throw at it, so long as you have the time and patience to figure it (and the various workarounds) out.
raisindot
One question i had based on the original post is he said the legacy MID VST programs won't work with Cubase? Does that mean that all of this many VST plugins I have, from Dimension Pro to Lounge Lizard to Arturia Keyboard V, won't work in a MIDI situation with Cubase? That would be a total deal-killer.
To repeat what Matt said, those are VSTis (VST Instruments) and should work just fine, so long as they're 64-bit. DXi is not supported, so Sonar users should expect to see a handful of Sonar-bundled plugins disappear. Others, like the Blue Tubes collection, appear to be earmarked for Sonar and also will not load into Cubase (or any other DAW).
msorrels
The MIDI VST thing is more complex. Here's what I've been able to put together....
Excellent summary of the situation! Thank you, Matt.
msorrels
The "real" complaint seems to be that there is no way to insert a VSTi that generates/processes MIDI into the MIDI insert on tracks in Cubase. Just like you couldn't insert a VSTi that generates/processes MIDI into the MIDI FX channel in SONAR. Some people want this and keep talking about MIDI VST support like it was a real thing that somehow Cubase is missing.
Personally, I just want to load the
Piz MIDI plugin collection and other (presumably MFX?) MIDI VSTs into Cubase's MIDI Inserts. If everything you've discovered re MFX vs. VST-MA is accurate, then I'm guilty of assuming MFX to be the 'open standard' while Steinberg's MIDI Inserts are more-or-less proprietary. I guess that's wrong and we're just stuck with an unfortunate VHS vs. Betamax situation. Yeah, we need an MFX-to-VST-MA wrapper.
BTW, one of the other workarounds I've seen discussed is MIDI port piping applications (e.g.,
MIDI Yoke) that allow for standalone applications (e.g.,
MIDI-Ox) to process MIDI data on the fly. This gets pretty complicated and I'll confess I haven't had the guts to try it on my mission-critical workstation yet, but it's an option for anyone desperate to add CAL-style scripting to Cubase, for example.