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2018/08/23 11:03:17
Jens-Åke
Hey! 
 
I have a problem i cant understand in sonar platinum. 
When i record the metronome into sonar everything is tight and ok, but when i line in and record my guitar all audio clips kind of adjust itself to much so it appears to early then it should. 
 
Lets say i record one track, adjust it a bit forward so its tight.
I dub that on a new track and i feel and hear i play tight both to click and other guitar..
Then when i playback its slightly off, and needs to be adjusted forward.. so i dont think its about the latancy?
 
And this happens in either 16 or 24 bits, with new empty project with none plugins, or full project same thing. 
 
Any ideas? 
 
driver settings and picture of audio clip.
 https://imgur.com/a/WxmU4wO
 
My specs: 
Cpu: Ryzen 7 1700
16gb ram
Motherboard asustek prime x370 pro
Mbox 3rd gen, 2 in 2 out
 
Please let me know if more details are needed!
 
Thanks
2018/08/23 11:17:17
markrounds
Hey, 
I had a similar issue,  however if I left the waves forms alone they would still sound in sync. My issue was just the waveform being drawn and showing to early in the project.  I was saving my picture cache to a different drive other than my C drive, when I switched it back to my C drive the issue was resolved. Hope this helps with your issue.
Mark
2018/08/23 11:40:36
Jens-Åke
markrounds
Hey, 
I had a similar issue,  however if I left the waves forms alone they would still sound in sync. My issue was just the waveform being drawn and showing to early in the project.  I was saving my picture cache to a different drive other than my C drive, when I switched it back to my C drive the issue was resolved. Hope this helps with your issue.
Mark




If i dont move them they are as you say synced to each other, but not to the drums and click im playing to and thats the problem.
I really need it to be tight together.
 
Any ideas why its only my guitar gets off but if i record the sound from the metronome click into sonar its almost spot on!?
i have tryed all 4 inputs but difference.
 
my instrument cable isnt that long
2018/08/23 14:24:23
scook
It could be latency related and a "Manual Offset" may be needed. Tracks may be slightly ahead or behind depending on the latency reported by the driver.
 
NOTE: the documentation shows an image of the preference page when not running an ASIO driver. When running ASIO usually the "Use ASIO Reported Latency" option is checked and a manual offset is added or subtracted from it to get perfect alignment of audio.
2018/08/23 14:48:04
Jens-Åke
scook
It could be latency related and a "Manual Offset" may be needed. Tracks may be slightly ahead or behind depending on the latency reported by the driver.
 
NOTE: the documentation shows an image of the preference page when not running an ASIO driver. When running ASIO usually the "Use ASIO Reported Latency" option is checked and a manual offset is added or subtracted from it to get perfect alignment of audio.




Im not sure how that works but i did try that manuel offset a little.
I recorded one guitar track, i did place it where i would like it to be and compared those two and i think i got around 679 samples difference.
So i did add  that amount, didnt notice any difference when recordning a new tack,
and i did try -679 also.. same thing no difference.
There must be something i do wrong.
2018/08/23 15:16:07
scook
That is a pretty big offset. More than I would expect for a driver correction. Would have been useful to at the start. A correction that large could be the result of monitoring the recording track through the DAW with plug-in delay compensation. Bypassing FX and Live Input PDC override may be worth investigating.
2018/08/23 15:38:55
Jens-Åke
The samples could be little bit different, i just wanted to see approximately and if it did some difference when adding to manual offset.
Even in a new project with no vst`s its the same problem with the guitar lined in.
The microphone ( shure 58 ) that records the sound from my speakers from the metronome in sonar is correct placed somehow.

Edit: I tried to put same vst on mircophone track as i have on guitartrack, still tight.

Also when doing the actual recordning, it looks like the waveform is correct in placed but after hitting stop it loads and its gets little bit to early.
I really have no idea how this can be its so strange.
2018/08/23 15:45:32
markrounds
I was having the issue with the waveform looking correct during recording and then after hitting stop the waveform would move backwards in time.  If I left them as is the audio would sound correct.  As i mentioned before I corrected this issue with where I was storing the picture cache.
2018/08/23 16:08:50
Jens-Åke
I tried changing picture cache to main disc it didnt help.
I might found the problem... ME!

My emg takes up sound pretty well so i placed it close to my speaker, turned up metronome volume, recorded few bars and had a look. Its all looks good!
Even the guitar emg click was closer then the recordes shure 58 click.
Is it me that play that bad lol? I have been playing for 20 years and i thought i could hear and feel when i play tight but it seems im maybe wrong. Im really confused
2018/08/23 16:27:50
msmcleod
I notice you've got your buffer size set at 256 samples, which is ok I guess, but I'd have thought an AVID device could go down to 64 or even 32 without playback issues. 
 
A smaller buffer size will improve your latency. 
 
Click on the ASIO panel button and reduce it as far as you can. If you get drop-outs, gradually increase it again.
 
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