• SONAR
  • Audio FX, parallel input
2016/10/28 23:28:06
Mad_Musicologist
Hi.
As old dub head, I am used to have the following constellation:
The sounds of an instrument are usually "dry" in my track. Now I wish that once in a while the sounds do to a heavy delay (for example) for one beat, but the delay shall sound on while the instrument plays on "dry", so the delay sounds mix with the dry instrument. 
When I use any effects "input", the entire instrument sound will be dimmed and will only have usual volume when I have the effect. But I do not wish to have the instrument muted when there is no effect. 
In Audio Mulch I can insert in the sound flow an additional bus parallel to the dry signal, and when I open the bus it will send the signal to the FX (delay, reverb, or whatsoever), so the sounds from that FX will sound on while the dry signal goes on unchanged.
How, please, can I construct such a chain in Sonar? The FX chain in Sonar has the same unwanted effect on the instrument sound as if I was only using the input knob of the FX in Sonar.
I am sure in Sonar there are better options that get me to the sound I wish to create.
Thankx for updating me.
2016/10/29 10:38:02
pwalpwal
sounds like you want a send/aux track with the fx on it? then set a send out to that on your instrument track and play with the send amount (at least, this is how i do the dubby delay stuff :-))
there's some kind of wizard available too https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Mixing.13.html
good luck!k!k!k!k! k!  k!  k!   k!     k!         k!
2016/10/29 11:58:15
Anderton
pwalpwal
sounds like you want a send/aux track with the fx on it? then set a send out to that on your instrument track and play with the send amount (at least, this is how i do the dubby delay stuff :-))
there's some kind of wizard available too https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Mixing.13.html
good luck!k!k!k!k! k!  k!  k!   k!     k!         k!

 
+1 on the suggestion, and on the typographical humor. There are actually many ways to do this. For example, with what pwalpwal suggests you can use automation to send only a particular sound to the track with the effect (which would be set to "wet" only).
 
Another option is to create another track, split the section you want to process, and shift+drag it to the new track and place the effect in that track.
 
Then there's always buses and automation...
2016/10/29 12:09:35
pwalpwal
mmmmm 100% wet
2016/10/29 12:10:50
tlw
Pre-fader sends can be very useful in this situation as well, they allow an effect on the linked aux channel to operate completely independendently of the audio tracks fader. Again, automate stuff as required.
2016/10/29 16:49:11
Mad_Musicologist
Yeahm pwalpwal, your recommendation is excellent. Just what I need. eed  eed    eed    eed... ;-)
2016/11/27 00:51:18
Mad_Musicologist
Must come back to this one again, as I keep struggeling where Sonar does write the automation data of the effects. I can't find those automation tracks. The thing is, you record the automation data, but in some cases you wish to edit those (been too late with the knob, or too much in-/output etc.), but I can't find them. I'd have supposed the automation data is written beneath a track with the name of the send.... I am doing something wrong, it seems.
2016/11/27 09:08:19
KingsMix
Yes, its in the automation lane.
you can open the lane and manually tweak and  edit.
 
Automation Lanes
2016/11/27 11:47:29
Mad_Musicologist
Thankx, Mr. KingsMix:
Yes I thought so, but I can't find it in the mix... 
Ok, the construction is: From the MIDI track I have the instrument track with some AudioFX. Then I have a SEND for short time FX (like a delay that switches in like in good old dub music.) Now I am looking for that automation lane for that FX in the send. 
One more issue in this thread: Is there a VST-bridge in Sonar, enabling 32-bit plugins in a 64-bit surrounding, please? And if not, any recommendations?
Seems in my mix, I may not use one delay plugin in multiple instances. There is a fine bluetube delay I'd wish for the rhythm guitar, but I'd love to use the same for the horn section, but (naturally) independently from the guitar.
2016/11/28 11:01:33
KingsMix
Mad_Musicologist
Thankx, Mr. KingsMix:
Yes I thought so, but I can't find it in the mix... 
Ok, the construction is: From the MIDI track I have the instrument track with some AudioFX. Then I have a SEND for short time FX (like a delay that switches in like in good old dub music.) Now I am looking for that automation lane for that FX in the send. 
Seems in my mix, I may not use one delay plugin in multiple instances. There is a fine bluetube delay I'd wish for the rhythm guitar, but I'd love to use the same for the horn section, but (naturally) independently from the guitar.




I am not sure of your questions here.
You can choose what you want the added automation lane to control by clicking the arrow next to the name of the lane and it will give you a drop down menu where you can choose what you want to automate. When you add a new automation lane it is going to give you a random control assignment but you select what you want it to control from the drop down menu by clicking on the arrow like I've described.
For the two instances that you want to use the same delay, just add an automation lane to the horn section track and another one to the guitar track, they will be independent even when using the same delay using on/off automation.
If this is not what you are asking, maybe you can post a screenshot and explain what it is you are trying to do.
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