• SONAR
  • Basic actions e.g. note velocity/volume (p.3)
2016/10/04 00:16:40
DrLumen
IMS from the CW 7-8 versions, once the notes are selected from the filter selection, set both begin and end (min/max) to 90 (not percent) in the Scale Velocity popup.
2016/10/04 00:43:11
BachFugue
DrLumen
IMS from the CW 7-8 versions, once the notes are selected from the filter selection, set both begin and end (min/max) to 90 (not percent) in the Scale Velocity popup.


That just sets them all to 90. That was settled in reply #1, but it's good to have a 2nd route to doing so. I see now that Scale Velocity is for setting a crescendo or diminuendo. Does anybody have an idea how to up the velocity of, say, only the notes 90 or lower velocity? In attack, not tempo.  
 
I just tried going back to Event Filter - Search and unchecked absolutely everything except the Note parameter -- top line. Tried setting Velocity there to Min 0 and Max 90; clicked OK but it just took me to an almost identical Event Filter -- replace popup. I tried clicking Cancel and it gave me the same screen again. Hit Cancel again and it was gone. Went back and checked the parameters I'd unchecked -- it similarly resisted closing the popup before doing so.  
 
I've hit the C key many times by accident (aiming for the space bar) and now see it brings up a graph of the velocity. Help says this is for editing such, but I don't see how -- and the bottom of the graph isn't even visible. 
 
In Help I see under Process-Interpolate 
Velocity
 
From 0 to 127
 
From 80 to 127
 
Compresses the velocity values into a narrower range
 
We're getting warmer, but that still isn't it if it means it narrows everything proportionately. 
 
More frustration: Doing View > Console, sliders for the present track stack (Audio 1 and 2, MIDI 1 and 2) shows for a test track I've just created and the record button is red, just right. But all sliders are set in the same position -- about 1/6 of the way from the top. The one for my present MIDI 1 track appears to be for duration -- it's numbers range from 0 to 127. What's it mean? What to do here? 
 
NEXT DAY OCT. 4......... OK, the thin vertical line that accompanies each note in Player Piano View isn't a stem as I'd thought but a velocity indicator. Found this on trying Scale Velocity again. Opened the little popup and setting it for Begin: 80 and End: 100. This simply reset the velocities as a crescendo (from 80 to 100) from the beginning of the selected passage (they whole test piece) to the end -- you could see it in the rising row of vertical pinstripes.
 
Now accepting theories as to why there's no Velocity knob in Console view on mine. There really isn't! 
 
2016/10/04 20:15:44
BachFugue
I guess there's no way to do it. 
 
Next question -- is there a timer in Sonar that simply gives you the real-time duration of a track in minutes and seconds?  
2016/10/04 21:21:24
brundlefly
Okay, one more time with feeling...
 
Going back to what I posted earlier, and substituting 'Edit > Interpolate' for 'Process > Find/Change', and using the minimum value of 80 you mentioned above, this should do exactly what you described:
 
1. Select clip or part of clip.
2. Choose Edit > Interpolate in the main menu.
3. In the first dialog, enter 80 as the Max for Velocity, and OK.
4. In the second dialog, enter 80 as both the Min and Max for Velocity, and OK.
 
All notes with a velocity at or below 80 will be set to 80.
2016/10/04 23:00:37
BachFugue
It WORKS! THANK YOU!!! That was your item 1 in reply #7, huh! Forgive me, I just don't know the jargon or terrain yet -- and things are definitely different in my 7. You don't know what this does for me -- basic answers can be sooooo hard to find in the digital age -- my sexegenarian head's not built for it! 
 
So it's a simple Find and Replace action -- and I've been the one telling everybody how marvelously similar this all is to writing documents
 
What about the silvery/dark red screen I mentioned in #11 above? What's it for? 
 
And is there anything built in to Sonar that will give the duration of a track? 
 
 
2016/10/05 03:30:10
Bristol_Jonesey
Glad you sussed it out.
 
Incidentally, if you want to preserve the relative value of your velocities after doing the Edit > Interpolate thing, then opening the Scale Velocity box, you could set both boxes to say, 140, tick percentages and all the selected notes will go up by 40%
2016/10/05 05:48:43
BachFugue
Thanks.
2016/10/06 03:52:59
brundlefly
The Velocity MIDI FX you mentioned in post #11 is primarily for altering velocity non-destructively on playback. The advantage of this is that you can experiment with different settings without permanently altering what you originally recorded. If necessary, it can be applied destructively once you're satisfied with the result, or it can be left active indefinitely.
 
In this case I don't think it can do exactly what you want, but you can hit F1 with focus on the FX dialog to bring up the Help on how the settings work.
 
You might want to consider an upgrade to the current SONAR if you can swing it. So much has changed since S7 that it will be difficult for most users on the forum to help you effectively... even oldtimers like me. 
2016/10/06 07:48:36
BachFugue
Thank you! Does that make it the same thing as the other approach except that changes only last thru the session? What if you save?
 
I wouldn't mind an upgrade, but have read that the older versions are easier to use? I'm a proud dinosaur, I like old stuff.
 
There's no timer in S7, correct -- as in minutes and seconds?
 
Next question -- is there a tempo slider somewhere in S7 or any version, or is it limited to manual changes of tempo? I want to be able to freely add ritards and accelerandi during playback, then Ctrl-S to instantly save 'em like any other change. I've learned how to do them in slo-mo while laying down a track live at a super slow speed (my normal procedure for faster compositions) but it would be a lot easier to lay the track metronomically, then add these features after the fact with a slider or similarly simple control. 
 
No doubt this can be done by setting up scaling, but that's too coldly mechanical for the present need. 
 
By helping me you're helping to keep a great deal of classical organ music in circulation that would otherwise crumble in file drawers. 
2016/10/06 08:06:38
dcumpian
BachFugue
Thank you! Does that make it the same thing as the other approach except that changes only last thru the session? What if you save?
 
I wouldn't mind an upgrade, but have read that the older versions are easier to use? I'm a proud dinosaur, I like old stuff.
 
There's no timer in S7, correct -- as in minutes and seconds?
 
Next question -- is there a tempo slider somewhere in S7 or any version, or is it limited to manual changes of tempo? I want to be able to freely add ritards and accelerandi during playback, then Ctrl-S to instantly save 'em like any other change. I've learned how to do them in slo-mo while laying down a track live at a super slow speed (my normal procedure for faster compositions) but it would be a lot easier to lay the track metronomically, then add these features after the fact with a slider or similarly simple control. 
 
No doubt this can be done by setting up scaling, but that's too coldly mechanical for the present need. 
 
By helping me you're helping to keep a great deal of classical organ music in circulation that would otherwise crumble in file drawers. 




Have you tried reading the manual? S7 came with a big fat one that I used to read between sessions. All of your questions are answered there.
 
There is no Tempo slider. Rather, there is a tempo VIEW where you can draw in tempo changes.
 
Regards,
Dan
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