ampfixer

Anderton

ampfixer
Is this about the Cakewalk forums or shifting traffic to HC and improve their bottom line. Do I see a conflict of interest here??

 
Of course not. Jeez. HC is already in discussion with various companies about hosting communities. It would be ridiculous and very rude NOT to offer the same opportunity to Cakewalk. 
 
A community like the Coffeehouse is very close-knit and I would hate to see that go away, if in fact that's what's planned (if it's not, never mind). I know about communities, the one I started on AOL has done three moves and been in continuous operation for over 21 years.
 
I saw the comments here and thought "Gee, I can actually do something to solve this" because I'm in a position where I can make sure that the community will have a home regardless. So sue me.

With all due respect Craig, I feel you straddle too many fences to be truly objective about this. You have a finger in every pie and will win regardless of the outcome. This is one case where you can't say you're just a software user like the rest of us. The fact that you are hovering here speaks volumes.

Would you prefer that I act like the rest of you, and wring my hands and complain instead of coming up with what I think is a creative AND DOABLE solution?
 
What kind of mentality would be against my pushing things around a bit and calling in some favors to make sure places like the Coffeehouse can survive?
 
Here I am advocating for the community and all you can see is ME winning regardless of the outcome. The reality is I'm trying to come up with a solution so the COMMUNITY wins regardless of the outcome. This wouldn't help me at all, or Harmony Central, because I highly doubt Cakewalk is going to be buying any ads. It helps a community I've come to appreciate and I want to see survive, even though it will make my life more difficult to do so.
 
If you can't recognize that people are capable of having motivations that aren't self-serving, I feel truly sorry for you.

azslow3

abacab
Because it seems that the ultimate goal of the Bakery concept is to make the forum info more accessible and useful.

I was born in the USSR.
When something has "ultimate goal" (Communism), has invented ultimate way to "objectively" count everything and based on that make "correct" decisions what should be done (Planned economy)... That is too good to be real (I mean it does not work at all ).

My suggestion was intended to imply that they should only use non-destructive methods (aka - running offline data crunching software) to arrive at their goals, without breaking the community.  I can see where from the official product support perspective that it would be nice to have everything wrapped in a big cozy knowledge base.  But not if they throw out the baby with the bath water.

ampfixer
 
 
With all due respect Craig, I feel you straddle too many fences to be truly objective about this. You have a finger in every pie and will win regardless of the outcome. This is one case where you can't say you're just a software user like the rest of us. The fact that you are hovering here speaks volumes.

Pretty harsh statement.
 
Why can an offered possible solution be seen so negatively?
 
Edit:
Didn't read the comments after post #89 while typing...

ampfixer
This is one case where you can't say you're just a software user like the rest of us.

 
I am a user like the rest of you. Why do you think I'm trying to come up with a solution? Why do I do the Tip of the Week on my own time? Why don't I accept royalties for the Expansion Packs i create on my own time? And what's so egregious about using my business connections to help the users who are like me?
 
Feel free to step up to the plate, buy up some servers, debug some software, and offer to host the Cakewalk forums. I'm not stopping you. I don't need another headache.
 

The fact that you are hovering here speaks volumes.

 
Yes. It says I'm a part of this community and I care about it enough to come up with a solution.
 
I'm outta here.
 
 

Anderton

azslow3PS. It will be nice if "mighty people" which have already participated in this thread can, in addition to describing the shining perspectives of not yet finished thing, answer on a strait and simple question from my first post and already repeated by other.

There may not be an answer. It may be an if-then situation. I don't know, nor would I.

I have thought that the decision to touch may be the only truly distinctive CW resource has "leaked" into your direction internally... It seems that is not the case.
 

What I DO know is that I can keep the community going if all else fails. You're welcome...not that anyone said "hey, cool, thanks for thinking of us." Instead I hear "conflict of interest" and "improving HC's bottom line." 

I must admit for me the intention of your HC post was even less clear then the Bakery HowTo
May be I am not a lone and so the reaction was what it was.
 

I'd take the time to explain the difference between support and community, and a forum and a community, and why it sure looks to me like Cakewalk decided to take complaints about wanting more support and a better way of dealing with the Features and Ideas concept seriously. But I suspect I'd be wasting my time.

I do not think that major complaints was how more support is organized or where CW is publishing the response on F&I. And may be I have overseen something during my short visit, but I have not noticed and "tags" or whatever in the new system dedicated to CW "support" nor "feedback". It looks like a forum/chat platform, with clear similarity to other such platforms but almost unreadable for me the top menu (unlike in other such platforms).
 
I do not see how all that "statistics", which may be helpful for CW, can help users. The only way I enter stackoverflow when I search for something is google. The same works fine in the current forum. Making digits 3 times bigger the the topic and putting the author on the other side of the page I guess supposed to train eyes and may be do some head moving gymnastic (if the monitor is bigger then 5''). I could continue, but I also think that is wasting time.
 

scook
I suspect it is because I changed the topic to more accurately reflect the issue
Click on your user ID in the upper right of the Bakery, open My "Profile" and scroll down to see "Recent Activity"

Ye Gods that thread is a mess. No easily discernible structure to it at all, and hard work to follow and work out what was said when and in response to what. Which is the opposite of what we have here.
 
Might I suggest that if you're going to put responses to comments near the comment responded to you adopt an indenting system so it's clearer what goes where? Though that would break the "most up votes at the top" system it would at least be possible to follow. At the moment the Bakery looks to me like it's been prematurely launched. A "quote" function that works would help as well.

tlw

scook
I suspect it is because I changed the topic to more accurately reflect the issue
Click on your user ID in the upper right of the Bakery, open My "Profile" and scroll down to see "Recent Activity"

Might I suggest that if you're going to put responses to comments near the comment responded to you adopt an indenting system so it's clearer what goes where?

I have no more control or input in how the Bakery develops than you. I created threads yesterday on the Bakery in the hope that I could understand how it works and how to make it better. I see no percentage in discussing the threads here.

Thank you Craig for saving the Cakewalk forums. You are a truly selfless individual. It's great that you are sticking up for all of us. You're a hero.
I'm just a user that doesn't like the new forum plans. I'm done in this thread before I get banned. 

 

 
 
I use the Google when I want to find info. "Tags" seem so 2003.

Caa2
 

 
 
I use the Google when I want to find info. "Tags" seem so 2003.

Good boy!