ampfixer
Thank you Craig for saving the Cakewalk forums. You are a truly selfless individual. It's great that you are sticking up for all of us. You're a hero.
I'm just a user that doesn't like the new forum plans. I'm done in this thread before I get banned. 

 
I would think anyone who "doesn't like the new forum plans" would be interested in, if not in favor of, a solution that would allow the forums to continue. Obviously I was wrong.
 

Sorry if this was already asked or mentioned, but... isn't the new forum the "Feedback Portal" that was announced in the Rolling Updates page?
 
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Feedback Portal
IN DEVELOPMENT
Got a great idea for a new feature? Want to help shape future updates? We are creating a unique new space for SONAR users to easily share what they’d like to see in future SONAR updates. You’ll be able to vote on existing ideas and even contribute your own in order to help determine the forthcoming changes in SONAR.
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If so, isn't it solely for FEEDBACK and FEATURE REQUESTS?
 
I didn't see anything indicating it was going to replace the entire SONAR forum (what we have here).
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-Forum-has-been-moved-to-The-Bakery-m3517090.aspx
 
Or is this just the beginning?
I'm Confused!

azslow3
I must admit for me the intention of your HC post was even less clear then the Bakery HowTo
May be I am not a lone and so the reaction was what it was.

 
I apologize if it wasn't clear, I thought it was obvious I was talking about what could be done, e.g., "We could cover the hangout/social aspect that a forum like the Coffehouse currently provides." And I also said "Just thinking out loud here, but the more I think about this...hmm...I'm going to send an email to the powers-that-be at Cakewalk and see what they think."
 
I floated the idea to HC first to see if they'd even be willing to do it. When they said yes, I floated it here because I wasn't going to recommend Cakewalk do it unless the forumites were receptive to the idea of preserving the community if necessary by providing a home elsewhere. The only place I could provide a home is Harmony Central because I have influence there. However since the idea was initially met with a negative attack (I would have preferred comments pro or con on the merits of the suggestion), and since then no one has said they'd be in favor of hosting the forums somewhere else if necessary, I get the point. I've told HC there won't be any need to make room for another community in 2017, and consider the matter closed. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers with what I thought would be a simple solution if all else failed.

Anderton
 
I would think anyone who "doesn't like the new forum plans" would be interested in, if not in favor of, a solution that would allow the forums to continue. Obviously I was wrong.
 

i don't think 'wrong'. as someone said earlier, perhaps yourself, change always is accompanied by a certain amount of upheaval. it seems to be human nature, change, at least at the beginning of said change, there is uncertainty and confusion, but as time goes on and things become clearer, all that becomes a distant memory as the new becomes more familiar. of course some people may be lost in the process, but i think a large number would follow and eventually see the good, assuming it all goes well. change is inevitable, nothing lasts forever, and i'm sure that the majority of people would see 'something' to be better than 'nothing', assuming the worst fears are indeed founded. it quite possibly could be a benefit to cakewalk, and thus the users having this moved over to harmony central, it has a far more diverse crowd with differing interests and backgrounds, some of whom may otherwise not have, may venture into the cakewalk section and say 'hey i like what i see, i'll have me some of that' who knows.
 
i don't know, but i don't think anything has been set in stone as yet, but if it does happen it's always good to have a backup plan, and that is exactly what you are offering, i think most would be appreciative of it, they may not prefer it to the status quo, but appreciative none the less should the change come to be.

Anderton
 
 
I apologize if it wasn't clear, I thought it was obvious I was talking about what could be done, e.g., "We could cover the hangout/social aspect that a forum like the Coffehouse currently provides." And I also said "Just thinking out loud here, but the more I think about this...hmm...I'm going to send an email to the powers-that-be at Cakewalk and see what they think."
 
I floated the idea to HC first to see if they'd even be willing to do it. When they said yes, I floated it here because I wasn't going to recommend Cakewalk do it unless the forumites were receptive to the idea of preserving the community if necessary by providing a home elsewhere. The only place I could provide a home is Harmony Central because I have influence there. However since the idea was initially met with a personal attack, and since then no one has said they'd be in favor of hosting the forums somewhere else if necessary, I get the point. I've told HC there won't be any need to make room for another community in 2017, and consider the matter closed. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers with what I thought would be a simple solution if all else failed.

although understandable, that is disappointing, and i think may be regretted by others should these things come to pass

Anderton
I've told HC there won't be any need to make room for another community in 2017, and consider the matter closed. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers with what I thought would be a simple solution if all else failed.

 
......and the very people who screamed loudest just shot themselves in the foot. 
A real shame Craig.
 
I genuinely hope this forum can continue somewhere in its current format, if not here. I am a little astounded that Cakewalk intend to close it. I presumed Cakewalk saw it as an asset. It has certainly helped me out on countless occasions .  Perhaps it is more expensive to maintain than I thought?
 
I realise it is early days, but the whole concept of earning points and voting posts up and down leaves me cold. It seems to me how often a person posts gives little indication of the value of their contribution. Whilst there are some amazing frequent posters here who make a massive contribution,  sometimes the person with the deepest knowedge and the answer you need posts only rarely. They are some of the most valuable members here. I can't help but feel that encouraging people to post to earn 'citizinship' popularity points may appeal to all the wrong folk.
 

abacab

ampfixer
 
With all due respect Craig, I feel you straddle too many fences to be truly objective about this. You have a finger in every pie and will win regardless of the outcome. This is one case where you can't say you're just a software user like the rest of us. The fact that you are hovering here speaks volumes.

Hey Amp.  See my earlier post #82.

Do you see the irony in this post I wonder.

Kamikaze

abacab

ampfixer
 
With all due respect Craig, I feel you straddle too many fences to be truly objective about this. You have a finger in every pie and will win regardless of the outcome. This is one case where you can't say you're just a software user like the rest of us. The fact that you are hovering here speaks volumes.

Hey Amp.  See my earlier post #82.

Do you see the irony in this post I wonder.

No. Read the post again.  That was in response to a personal attack on a fellow forum member, which is a violation of forum etiquette.

Sheesh, why are some people over the top about this?
The Bakery is only a day or two old. Give a little time. Has Cakewalk announced the closing of the forums?
I don't think so.
But also, Ryan and Craig take things so personally. Gentlemen, you don't always have to respond you know.
Mr Anderton: really are you going to not pursue the possibility of HC hosting because a couple of forum members tick you off? Doesn't that seem like an extreme response?
Anyway, KVR hosts companies as well. Maybe that is an avenue to look at.
I don't believe that you can overstate just how useful this forum is. Can you imagine" Oh no! All agents are booked" and NOT have any support?

scottfa
I don't believe that you can overstate just how useful this forum is. Can you imagine" Oh no! All agents are booked" and NOT have any support?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but consider this. When the unfortunate support backlog occurred this summer, there were a huuuuuuuuge number of complaints posted on the forum.  Some were justified of course.
 
If I was a marketing person (I'm not), I would be concerned about all that bad press and the corporate image and branding for Cakewalk and Gibson, blah, blah ...
 
The forums are indexed by Google, so it's easy to locate the dirty laundry here with a search query.
 
Maybe it would be better from a corporate viewpoint to have locked down discussions regarding features and support issues, etc.  StackExchange is the best example that comes to mind.
 
I find it odd that the forum moderators and hosts don't appear to be fully briefed on the intended changes.
 
Getting a handle on the free speech issues here could be a tough nut to crack.  Just saying ...