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  • [Solved for me] The Bakery - I do not understand it... (p.15)
2016/11/26 20:54:46
abacab
coolbass
Willy Jones [Cakewalk]
 
 
 The general direction that most online communities are moving is away from the forum style/model.
 




And regrettably the user experience, mood and quality content of these forums is now less than before.




Queue up AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
2016/11/27 03:54:51
cboshuizen
I've been here long enough I remember when Cakewalk used to be on Usenet and I got mad they started this forum and I could no longer use my mail reader. Oh well... Don't suppose it really matters.
2016/11/27 07:05:24
mettelus
Man, I missed some key comments in the middle of this thread marking the forum as read the other night, but when a typical defensive post pops up on my cell that takes 3+ pages to scroll through something is up. This thread is reminiscent of the epic LandR posts from earlier this year.
 
As to the conflict of interest comment, there are numerous instances of such, but the ones who should be policing it are actually the committing it as well. One reason why I shifted to my cell for viewing this forum is to shave the sigs off of posts, the most obnoxious of which is for sale of a personal item (been around for over a year now) when the Code of Conduct clearly states:
 
"Commercial Purposes
These forums are not for commercial purposes. Advertising and promotions are not appropriate; however links to 3rd party websites are allowed if they pertain directly to the discussion topic. It’s also allowed to post links to special deals or offers if they’re posted in the appropriate 'deals' sub-forum."
2016/11/27 07:46:42
azslow3
I hope you are not serious in proposing to move the thread into Deals because
1) I promote Control Surfaces
2) Soens promote hover cars
3) Craig promote HC
4) Bapu promote himself

If yes, I recommend to read the whole thread...
2016/11/27 08:43:52
mettelus
Not at all, the point was specific to an earlier reference in the thread to Conflict of Interest.
2016/11/27 11:10:36
Kamikaze
Threads like this always remind me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsdy_rct6uo
2016/11/27 12:40:48
SteveStrummerUK
mettelus
Man, I missed some key comments in the middle of this thread marking the forum as read the other night, but when a typical defensive post pops up on my cell that takes 3+ pages to scroll through something is up. This thread is reminiscent of the epic LandR posts from earlier this year.
 
As to the conflict of interest comment, there are numerous instances of such, but the ones who should be policing it are actually the committing it as well. One reason why I shifted to my cell for viewing this forum is to shave the sigs off of posts, the most obnoxious of which is for sale of a personal item (been around for over a year now) when the Code of Conduct clearly states:
 
"Commercial Purposes
These forums are not for commercial purposes. Advertising and promotions are not appropriate; however links to 3rd party websites are allowed if they pertain directly to the discussion topic. It’s also allowed to post links to special deals or offers if they’re posted in the appropriate 'deals' sub-forum."




I dared to moan about this a while back.
 
Predictably, I got slated.
 
As per a lot of things around here, blind eyes are selectively turned to certain TOS violations depending on who commits them.
 
And giving the power to certain favoured customers to make these decisions did nothing to ensure these decisions became any fairer or transparent in my opinion.
2016/11/27 13:24:42
ampfixer
Why don't we let this thread die out. Nothing new being said, just turning over the pile.
2016/11/28 23:34:25
lfm
Anderton
 
As to me, 1) why give up on the idea of HC hosting a forum after such a short period of time, and 2) conflicts of interest.
 

 
But isn't HC the weirdest spot on the planet.
The only place you get harassed for bumping an old thread.
 
Usually forums are:
- dude, did you try the search function....
 
2016/11/29 17:27:41
Anderton
ampfixer
Craig, this is what I said and it doesn't match what you are saying. I have inserted comments in bold to clarify and the original words are in itallics..
 
QUOTE:
Is this about the Cakewalk forums or shifting traffic to HC and improve their bottom line. Do I see a conflict of interest here?? ** This is a question not an accusation, increased traffic to a site will increase their potential for increased revenue, even if they host the content for free, or so I'm told by the guys that buy articles from me. ** 
 
Cakewalk is the owner/operator and will do exactly what they want regardless of how many people don't, or do, like it. All I want is to have a good give and take of information. Setting things up so that your value is measured, voted on and judged is nonsense. It will discourage new comers and if it becomes cumbersome we may lose input from some of the really knowledgeable folks. ** My opinion with an explanation of why I have that opinion **
 
And please kill the stupid slogans. - SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP -  What does this even mean, comrade?
** I stand by this as it's a quote from a B movie**
 
I'm offering what I believe to be constructive feedback, not simply complaining, and my comment should be taken as such.
END QUOTE:
 
Now, for those too lazy to look back at my comments here they are again. What's wrong with them? At no point did I ever say that Harmony Central was a bad idea. I wondered if it was a conflict of interest, NO accusation. As a virtual rock star in the recording world and a V.P. at Gibson you should expect to be held to a higher standard than us potato farmers. Where in this do you see a personal attack worthy of your indignation?
 
Today the Bakery section for ideas is more fully populated and I can see just how good it will be for suggestions. It takes away speculation and gives you decision making input almost immediately. I fully support the idea for that topic.
 
I don't know what more I can say other than I am not what you portray me to be.




I know you're not a bad guy and I know you contribute value to this community. What got under my skin was not the conflict of interest comment (as you could probably tell from my initial response), which I felt was just silly because the increase in traffic would be a drop in the bucket compared to the 3-4 million uniques we get each month. It was this comment:
 
"With all due respect Craig, I feel you straddle too many fences to be truly objective about this. You have a finger in every pie and will win regardless of the outcome. This is one case where you can't say you're just a software user like the rest of us. The fact that you are hovering here speaks volumes."
 
My motivation was not to "win" anything, but to make sure the community would be preserved. I don't see how that has anything to do with objectivity or straddling fences.
 
I have a pretty stressful gig overall, which is actually what I love about it - the challenge. But when I come here, it's to leave that behind and get social with fellow SONARians. I "hover" here because I feel like I'm part of the community. When I tell someone how to fix a problem, it's not because I'm with Gibson. It's because I use SONAR and know how to fix a problem. 
 
I would prefer to be seen as just another user when I'm here because that's how I feel. I kind of like it when some new user has no clue who I am. I like being judged for what I contribute, not my reputation.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I wish I was filthy rich so I could fly anyone from the forum who wanted to come to a party where we could all hang out. And you would most definitely get an invite. I love meeting forum people in person...as with me, there are humans behind those screen names. (Well except for Bapu. But until the mothership gets fixed, he's kind of stuck here.)
 
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