if only we had the sounds!
 

ChristopherM
Am I the only one who gets a bad feeling when it takes Ryan more paragraphs than I had time to read to explain the rationale? Am I the only one who feels that the rating system is uncomfortably redolent of Black Mirror's Nosedive? 

I was being verbose to be informative because, well, nobody provided much information and people were asking about it. Sorry if that's viewed as a fault and that you didn't care to take the time to read it.
 
Maybe provide some insight on what you feel would be a good rating system? I'm not sure how your post is helpful, despite pwalpwal marking it helpful. In fact this is a direct example of how it's difficult for us to help users when they work against us.

tenfoot
On the other hand, having just checked out the list of November updates, my bad. I take it all back.  It certainly hasn't slowed anything down! All power to the bakers:)

And The Bakery would not impede SONAR developement.
 
The Bakery and SONAR developemnt require two different day-to-day skillsets*
 
 
*That's not so say a .net programmer can't work on a website but it's rare that a web developer is also an application developer IME.
 

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] I'm not sure how your post is helpful, despite pwalpwal marking it helpful. In fact this is a direct example of how it's difficult for us to help users when they work against us.

that implies that i'm working against you? thanks for that, sorry i'm not a "yes man"
 
the intention is to flag that the bakery is not intuitive, and not fully baked
 
edit to add: watch the "nosedive" episode of black mirror if you haven't already seen it...

Hey, Ryan - How did you determine that I was working against you? You may or may not know that Nosedive is a cautionary parable about what goes wrong when an algorithmic rating system is too thoroughly and rigorously applied. It is, of course, fiction. I referenced it because the Bakery's rating scheme appears to have that kind of rigidity and therefore I am concerned that it will over-react. The present forum thankfully only allows soft censorship - posts can be marked as helpful and people can support or criticise ideas without fear of being disappeared. A user can block any other user without that affecting anybody else. If someone acts grossly against the forum guidelines, they may be banned only after review by a human being, but that is rightly a last resort. All of this appears to work. Automating it and locking it to a rigid scheme sounds like a backward step to me. I am not working against you - I am just articulating a concern. , and unfortunately the tenor of your response heightens my concern. Would my signal be regarded as noise in your new scheme?
 

bapu
*That's not so say a .net programmer can't work on a website but it's rare that a web developer is also an application developer IME.
 

it's quite common ime, when the dev is "in house", typical management shortcut

bapu

tenfoot
On the other hand, having just checked out the list of November updates, my bad. I take it all back.  It certainly hasn't slowed anything down! All power to the bakers:)

And The Bakery would not impede SONAR developement.
 
The Bakery and SONAR developemnt require two different day-to-day skillsets*
 
 
*That's not so say a .net programmer can't work on a website but it's rare that a web developer is also an application developer IME.
 

They may require different skillsets, but presumably they are competing for the same scarce funds.
 

pwalpwal

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] I'm not sure how your post is helpful, despite pwalpwal marking it helpful. In fact this is a direct example of how it's difficult for us to help users when they work against us.

that implies that i'm working against you? thanks for that, sorry i'm not a "yes man"
 
the intention is to flag that the bakery is not intuitive, and not fully baked

Not asking you to be a yes man. I appreciate the feedback and am just asking for feedback we can work with. If it's unspoken it's hard to decipher.
 
Typing in all caps in threads on The Bakery as you're finding issues does make it difficult to interact with you. Please try to consider if I took that approach.
 
You're correct, there are still a lot of things being worked on with it so anything you find definitely bug up in The Bakery so we can get it addressed.

Is the Bakery just a replacement for the "Features & Ideas" forum, or is it intended to replace all of the other Cakewalk forums eventually?
 
I ask this because I have not seen this explained anywhere yet.

Thanks for the explanation Ryan. It's beginning to make since to me now. I'll be watching this new forum to see how it all plays out.