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2018/08/18 20:07:15
jazzbass12
Maybe a dumb question.. can you easily collaborate with other Bandlab users when using Band Labs version of Cakewalk?
Thanks
2018/08/19 00:20:13
Starise
There are two ways I do it when I do it.
 
It's easy to export stems and import them into any DAW. This is usually my method. The Bandlab app hasn't actually caught on with me, mainly because I don't do a lot of collaboration. I can see where exchanging files through the app could be something other people like. I see the tech as similar to a simple Garageband kind of thing. Good enough to hash out ideas on I suppose. The one thing I don't know much about its the way The BL app lets multiple examples of the tune be changed by perfect strangers who can add anything they want. So I wouldn't put anything on there that you wouldn't want altered in a big way. 
What goes in won't be what comes out. That could be good or bad all depending. I know that sounds like an evasive answer but it's true.
2018/08/19 19:21:50
bluebeat1313
Interesting.
My hope is that collaboration can be done or at least have a streamlined option in this manner:
 
If you agree to someone trying something with your tune, you send them mixed Cakewalk project in bundled file with all audio mixed in single wav and tracks reserved for the person who is going to add to it. Like a ghost of your original project, but simplified to the bone and reverse process to merge "received" file to original project.
 
Example: Lets say I have a Cakewalk project that I want to add live harmonica. I mix all of the audio to a single stereo track and would send a Cakewalk bundle file with that single track to the musician who will record his stuff on reserved tracks and send back to me for a final say/mix.
 
If collaborations are 50/50 or such, then a more complex solution could work, like sharing complete bun files, but that might not be a universal solution because of various plugins and many other good things that might differ between 2 or more computers. So single mixed stereo file in the project as a reference point would be something I would be comfortable with. If this process is streamlined within Cakewalk it would be ideal for me, until we achieve magnificent internet speed that would eliminate latency :) 
 
Maybe it is already here and I just slept through the process?
 
 
2018/08/20 00:15:01
Starise
It seems you might be looking for something a bit more real time. I'm so accustomed to working with people who have different daws that I had almost given up hope that anyone would actually be using the same daw . In one of my last collabs the OP had Reason.
 
If you don't need the mix to be in the cloud the way it is in the BL app you could simply use something like dropbox or similar and share the file with your collaborator as a .bun file. It's usually best to have one designated person who mixes, so if you were mixing you would eventually have a project with all of the tracks in it no efx or any other plugin, because, as you say, you probably wouldn't have or use the same plugins. 
2018/08/20 01:06:13
bluebeat1313
Starise, 
No, no real time online DAW:) That is way in the future.
I guess it would be natural for people in Bandlab community to take advantage of fantastic desktop DAW that is free. I hope bakers will make intuitive way in the future to share core reference audio files from point A to point B between two desktop Cakewalks without bouncing around full project, directly from Cakewalk.... maybe introduce a new file format: project.clb sort of condensed bundle?
 
Here is example. I have a friend. She has great voice. She is 150 miles away. We meet 2-3 times a year. If we are not distracted by things that life throws at us, we try to record something at my place. She does not do record on her own and she does not have time to learn DAW from scratch. If we have same DAW it would make things much easier as I can explain basic stuff to her. If we can share files efficient, user friendly way, through DAW plugin or some core feature it would make things even smoother. In this scenario, she would open my file with instrumentals and only have to remember 5-10 steps in Cakewalk to record her vocal takes and then share that project with me. 
 
P.S. Liked your:  Angel Of The Pond. Busy, but in a very good way.
 
2018/08/20 21:38:24
michheld
Hi everybody,
have you already heard about Steinberg opening its plugin "VST Transit" for all DAWs?
I read it right before:
https://www.steinberg.net...s/vst/vst_transit.html
https://youtu.be/ii91BgRrHIE
Maybe this might be an interesting alternative for an end-to-end-collaboration?
But sorry, no App for iPhone, just iPad...
Best regards
2018/08/21 13:04:48
michheld
but Momentum has got an iPhone-Version ;-)
2018/08/21 17:00:22
Audioicon
bluebeat1313
Here is example. I have a friend. She has great voice. She is 150 miles away. We meet 2-3 times a year. If we are not distracted by things that life throws at us, we try to record something at my place. She does not do record on her own and she does not have time to learn DAW from scratch. If we have same DAW it would make things much easier as I can explain basic stuff to her. If we can share files efficient, user friendly way, through DAW plugin or some core feature it would make things even smoother. In this scenario, she would open my file with instrumentals and only have to remember 5-10 steps in Cakewalk to record her vocal takes and then share that project with me. 


Very interesting my friend:
I have the same issue but I do not think collaborative software will solve my problems, at least not between me and a non-studio owner, or someone with no studio access.

Here is my story.
I have been engineering music all my life, I hate singing. for me it's like going to the dentist. 
So I decided that I will write produce and Engineer but would rather other people sing my songs.

Based on what you just wrote, it could solve all of my issues when it comes to collaboration with singers but here is my problem. I recently met a girl on Bandlab, her voice blows me away but she knows nothing about professional recording, in fact, the song she posted was recorded on her phone and uploaded to Bandlab.

I could send her audio files assuming there was a streamline way to collaborate. This big issue is how do I get quality recordings of her? For example: I use a Neumann U87 and I would prefer she sing into that but regardless of software, she will need to go to a professional studio to record.

The best I can do is book her at a professional studio and do a voice over. This works but is expensive and not very fluent.

I think any collaborative software will require a hardware counterpart.

It makes no sense for me to record on an SSL Console and then send the files for a singer to sing in her phone or in her dinning room with the dog barking in the yard. 

But you are right, collaboration between two studio owners will greatly benefit from the existence of collaborative tools.




2018/08/21 17:37:33
Starise
I had the same issue Audioicon on several occasions. One sang into her phone and the other into a portable recorder.I actually used one take. It was either do that or not have a collaboration. I made it sound ok could have sounded better with a good mic.
https://soundcloud.com/starise/chestnuts-roasting-featuring
 
It can be frustrating when you have the tech but the vocalist lives 5000 miles away and has no access to a mic. 
 
2018/08/21 17:47:49
Audioicon
Starise
I had the same issue Audioicon on several occasions. One sang into her phone and the other into a portable recorder.I actually used one take. It was either do that or not have a collaboration. I made it sound ok could have sounded better with a good mic.
https://soundcloud.com/starise/chestnuts-roasting-featuring
 
It can be frustrating when you have the tech but the vocalist lives 5000 miles away and has no access to a mic. 
 



Damn, this sound so sexy!
I feel warm already.

This is really good, sounds live!

Yeah, I am not sure how I am going to collaborate, I have to find someone close to me. I also have another friend in Brazil and she has a studio so it's better, the tracks are great!



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