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2018/08/21 18:40:06
Starise
This was the mic in an android smart phone...I  think she has the talent to sound good on anything. I haven't heard your girl, but some of those phones dare I say it...aren't bad 
2018/08/22 14:22:35
bluebeat1313
Nice thoughts, especially about "hardware counterpart"
I am sure there are more than 100 ways to colaborate with someone...
If you take music more or less seriously and just do not have the money for Neumann mic, you can always get Blue snowball USB mic for $50 or basic Irig instrument interface for about same amount. That will get you to the world of amatuer DAW recording. Professional....probably not, but I think it would be better than phone mic. 
 
So back to this topic, I think it might be interesting to have a sort of universal/ user friendly tool for colobaration with people who know little about DAW recording.  So that when you get their recorded stuff back, it falls in correct place in Cakewalk tracks. Sort of proper, user friendly file exchange, I guess. 
2018/08/22 14:38:32
Starise
....the closest thing right now is Bandlab. It works for getting ideas down. 
 
This is the part that might trip you up- "people who know little about DAW recording"
 
I have attempted to explain basic daw concepts and I mean no disrespect but many of them just don't get it and many never will. One person I was working with got a Mac with Garageband and she simply can't figure out how to make it work. In another case I even sent over a fully functional daw to a person I thought needed it because we were trying to get a mix together. That didn't pan out either and I was out an older daw. 
2018/08/22 15:58:11
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bluebeat1313
If you take music more or less seriously and just do not have the money for Neumann mic, you can always get Blue snowball USB mic for $50.


Unfortunately, I take music too seriously. 
But it is not just about Mic, I am talking about the environment. You get recording with dog barking and and Lawn Mower in the background.

On a lighter note, hopefully, my wife do not read this, I will have to explain the whole Neumann thing and the $50.00 mic. 

I will agree, collaborating with ideas is great, song writing, creating demos and so on but when it comes to the actual production, collaboration requires in-person work, unless both parties have access to adequate recording equipment and environment.


2018/08/22 16:29:27
bluebeat1313
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I will agree, collaborating with ideas is great, song writing, creating demos and so on but when it comes to the actual production, collaboration requires in-person work, unless both parties have access to adequate recording equipment and environment.

100% agreed, but mechanism of file sharing can be the same, lets say with two modes 
a) Simple mode: Idea sharing/song writing. Sort of very naive multi track recorder with Solo/Mute.
b) Full mode for production etc.
 
 
2018/08/22 19:51:13
kennywtelejazz
Tim,
It sounds like all somebody needs is a willing person with recording chops and a DAW local to the collab mate that has been using the Phone for a studio
If at all possible , get them to help you out ..who knows , it could be a win win  ...
The singer  ditches the phone and gets more comfortable under the red light . You may get a better track / performance . The local person w a DAW makes a new contact ( you  ) while getting some much needed experience ...
 
Kenny
2018/08/23 00:36:23
bluebeat1313
 Cakewalk can be used in very complex ways and at the same time for simple tracking (ideas/song writting)
For me, ideas/songwritting  forkflow is the most important feature in Cakewalk.  For production I can always use these recorded "ideas" as a reference in the same project...
 
Still, for sketch/rought demos/song writting coloborations between 2 people with Cakewalk(s) that are distance away the only "Easy" way  I think is exchanging WAV (or midi) files that share same starting point or exchange Cakewalk bundled files stripped of third party plugins. 
 
Probably I am in minority here with such question / request, but I think automated, simplified process of some kind that allows 2 people to colobarate using Cakewalk, exchanging core files with ease would be interesting.
2018/08/23 04:40:26
Kev999
Online collaboration works best if each of the individual participants can independently organise their own recording process. Otherwise, their communication gets focused on technical issues instead of musical ideas. It needs to be a musical collaboration rather than an engineering one.
 
And sharing the same software is an unnecessary restriction. If that was necessary then there would be a lot fewer collabs taking place in the world.
2018/08/23 09:09:14
msmcleod
Kev999
Online collaboration works best if each of the individual participants can independently organise their own recording process. Otherwise, their communication gets focused on technical issues instead of musical ideas. It needs to be a musical collaboration rather than an engineering one.
 
And sharing the same software is an unnecessary restriction. If that was necessary then there would be a lot fewer collabs taking place in the world.




That's the great thing about BandLab having a simple web-based daw. You can drag & drop your stems to and from whatever main DAW you have, and regardless of what plugins you have.
 
I guess if your collabs just happen to have the same DAW & plugins, then there's nothing to stop you sharing a CbB project, but I suspect merging tracks from several CbB projects would soon lead to human error at some point.
 
IMHO BandLab need to look at improving the administration side of collaboration - i.e. better granularity of genres, better way of advertising yourself & searching for collabs.
2018/08/23 15:07:41
Starise
@Kenny, thanks for the suggestions man. It gets kinda complicated but she is from India and she is always traveling, plus I doubt she had the money to pay someone. It would have been cool if she would have had access to someone with a daw. The few tracks I made with her gained her enough interest that she could then dump me 
 
I like the way Kev999 said it, in many cases the discussions have been more about how we would do it than actually tracking.
This gets to be partially a male/female issue sometimes too all depending on the people involved. As you know a back and forth over a recording project can get to 50 emails in no time flat. Imagine her husband or boyfriend sees her phone with 50 email exchanges from me who sometimes asks her how she's doing.In one case the husband became protective/jealous and told her to stop working with me. I never said anything that should have made him think that. It was all business. With all of those emails flying back and forth it starts to look like a "thing". It's all really time consuming. You have a vocalist who only need to sing well...the rest of it is on you, the composition, making the words fit, mixing, everything. Can amount to a lot of time, especially if no money is involved.Sometimes a PITA TBH. I have been singing my own material.
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