The new version of Finale, called Finale, has Rewire support for Sonar and will be 64 bit.

I am just perplexed as to why we would get something like the theme editor which has nothing to do with making music vs enhancement to staff view which was the reason I originally bought cakewalk.
 
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I would prefer they ignore notation completely if it is not possible to produce a top-notch product and notation is NOT that easy.

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at this point I would prefer a third party nicely integrated similar to the way melodyne is

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I am just perplexed as to why we would get something like the theme editor which has nothing to do with making music vs enhancement to staff view which was the reason I originally bought cakewalk.
 
rafone

More color options was an EXTREMELY common user request ever since the X series was released. Way more people were freaking about that than notation options. Also it was probably much less problematic to create than a Staff View redesign.
 
Notice how many themes threads are going on lately? I personally don't care about color schemes so much and would definitely prefer a really nice notation function instead but it seems to have made a LOT of users REALLY happy. From Cakewalk's perspective that's a pretty big win.
 
Myself, I don't use notation for my writing/producing but it will be crucial for some of my educational materials (for myself and students). I was going to maybe pick up Cubase Elements specifically for notation work but Reaper added a notation input feature a while back.
 
Someday I'm going to try Rewiring Reaper into Sonar. Not sure if it'll work that way but it'll be a good chance for me to learn about Rewire and check out how good the Reap's staff thingie is.
 
In the meantime I still think Cake should partner up with a proper notation company (like they do with VST manufacturers) to design/include a "light" version of their MIDI notation program with an option to upgrade to a better package. Integrate it all completely like what has been done with Melodyne.
 
My personal preference as to WHICH company they should use is different than others but I think it would work MUCH better for more people and possibly be an easier company to talk into this type of partnership.
 
That would be GuitarPro. I haven't used it for YEARS but even back in the day it had really nice notation, multitrack scoring, MIDI output, etc.
 
BUT... it also has absolutely top tier guitar tab input. Not sure what the other notation programs offer in that regard but that in itself would definitely benefit the HUGE swath of guitar dorks (like me!) who use Sonar.
 
Pwetty pweeze, Cakesters?
 
Edit: I seem to recall someone mentioning that GuitarPro was already affiliated with a competitor though. Not sure if I'm thinking of something else but it was a while back (I think before the Gibson take over). It would make wicked sense for a company like Gibson to buy up GP though and slap it into its pet DAW.
 
I bet Craig would know more about this... and maybe the clout to nudge the Gibby honchos into considering it.

meh
I am just perplexed as to why we would get something like the theme editor which has nothing to do with making music vs enhancement to staff view which was the reason I originally bought cakewalk.
 
rafone

slightly ironic that your profile pic of the performance meter, is one thing theme editor doesn't edit.

meh
I am just perplexed as to why we would get something like the theme editor which has nothing to do with making music vs enhancement to staff view which was the reason I originally bought cakewalk.
 
rafone

 
 You would be surprised how many requests in other DAW forums always want a skinnable DAW. 

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Protools competes in the same marketing sector as Sonar (right down to a monthly sub) and sad to say Protools is winning the race, which is further embedding it as the the pro engineer's tool of choice.

The fault in the logic of statements like the above, is that appealing to engineers gets you a very small percentage of the market, compared to DIY users and musicians.

That means less development dollars. If professionals alone, could support a product like a modern DAW? Then Avid's profits wouldn't be going down the toilet! Engineers might like it, but most DIY engineers and musos seem to find PT clunky.

Also the user market for notation products is tiny and if Avid are winning that race against Sonar? They're winning a very tiny race!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against notation. Like Craig, I wouldn't mind seeing a better staff, drum and score view, but I wouldn't want them to halt everything else to make a better score editor. Other notation programs took entire teams to create them and Avid didn't make their own. They brought one and bolted it on.

Similarly Steinberg hired the old sibelius team to create Dorico. So instead of asking Cake to make one that's better, you should be appealing to Gibson to buy something like Finale and bolt it onto Sonar.

 Sonar lost the race a long time ago. The reason why there is little interest in Sonar's staff view is because users switched to Cubase.  Googles searches give a lot of evidence.
 
 While I'm on the improve the staff view bandwagon, we are finding more ways to beat this dead horse. We know they listen and it's probably on the drawing board waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the road. 
 
 Incorporating a notation program into a DAW probably isn't that easy because Presonus would have done that by now.

Many versions ago, staff view had basic editing tools, snap settings, note values and so on as buttons on its own window header. So much easier it was back then, than having to jump up to the main tools (ignoring shortcuts keys, because that's not how I work).
 
I used to compose a lot in staff view... freeform, ignorant, naive, drag notes around stuff, and I really enjoyed it. Now I don't enjoy it anywhere near as much. I've tried Sibelius, and spent a little bit of time in others. Don't do it for me. In my experience they seemed too formal, too much about printed pages and what's "musically correct" and not so much about the linear sequence of music flow. For instance, you simply couldn't drag notes around in both pitch and time with the same reckless abandon as you can in Sonar.
(This is not to say Sibelius and others are bad, just that they don't suit the way I make music)
 
So while we wait for Cake to come up with staff view heaven as a core part of Sonar, even a few simple changes to restore something we once had, like better range of tools and customisation of the toolbar for the staff view window... that would be lovely!
 
Meanwhile, thanks Cake for an awesome program!

I *have* to have Staff View.  That is how I write and arrange everything.
 
That said, I don't know of any particular feature that is missing and causing me serious pain.  There are a few things that don't work right in Staff, but I think it is my particular installation.
 
I use something else besides my working MIDI files for publisher-ready scores and just import MIDI from Cakewalk to get a head start.