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  • Question: Platinum lower latency than X3 or not ?
2016/11/18 13:48:03
Sheanes
Just hoping someone checked if upgrading to Platinum reduced the roundtrip latency or not, compared to X3 ?
Happy with X3 and I just hate the upgrading work....the only thing making it worthwile for me is a lower latency really.
Thanks, appreciate any report about this subject.
 
 
2016/11/18 13:50:58
scook
Latency is a function of your audio interface, its driver settings and the plug-ins used in a project. To the extent that the new SONAR may run better on your hardware, it might be possible to reduce the driver buffer settings but that would be the only way SONAR might affect latency.
2016/11/18 14:06:16
Sheanes
Thanks Scook, was thinking the Sonar software/audio engine etc needs a number of samples (latency) to get music out of Sonar (simular to a plugins/VST using a number of samples latency).
I do expect software and latency are connected, today I was reading about the Universal Audio new Thunderbolt 3 interfaces (Apollo), that are available for Windows now (one needs a new PC with Thunderbolt 3 port).
They have an accelarator Box you can connect that gives you even more power, and lower latency, so they claim.
Not that I'm gonna spend 5000 on a new computer, Apollo interface and accelartor box....no way.
This PC thunderbolt 3 news however makes me think about maybe not joining Sonar Mac...
If say RME will launch a more affordable Thunderbolt 3 windows interface, I might upgrade.
2016/11/18 14:22:36
scook
Obviously the software takes some time to process data but it is insignificant compared to the buffering needed for the interface and plug-ins which must know what the data looks like a 100ms or so in the future.
2016/11/18 14:38:41
Sheanes
thanks Scook
2016/11/18 20:09:54
chuckebaby
I just built a PC with the built in Thunderbolt option in the MOBO. Not really that expensive actually.
Its really the Interface your paying for. And im not sure Platinum is that much different from Sonar X3.
As Steve said, its really all about your AI when it comes to latency.. or a matter of if you even have one.
2016/11/18 23:32:30
Sheanes
Thanks Chuck, that Thunderbolt PC defenitely seems a great idea.
So far from what I understand Apple/Mac software is superior (faster) handling audio than Microsoft, but now the superior outboard gear (Thunderbolt3 and accelerator boxes) becomes available to Windows machines..
Damn I just got an RME UC and new backup Windows 7 PC not even a year ago 
So after the motorcycle probably now the car has to go 
Guess X3 and Platinum latency are equal if not the same...but a reduction of 20% or so would make me upgrade.
2016/11/19 05:40:08
BobF
I noticed no difference in the measured RT latency going from X3 to Platinum.  However, overall performance and resulting ability to have higher track/FX counts has improved considerably in Plat compared to X3(e).  I've always been happy with RTL in the 7-10ms range though, which I realize everybody isn't able to tolerate for live IM.
 
Additionally, I find the overall responsiveness (snappy feel?) of Platinum to be superior to X3.  I still have X3 installed and fire it up from time to time.  I do notice the positive difference when I return to Platinum.
2016/11/19 10:32:14
Sheanes
hey Bob, thanks for this information / your nice report...appreciate sharing your experience on the updgrade.
thanks !
2016/11/20 04:13:58
Sanderxpander
RME has some of the best drivers on the market. Some benchmarks show them reaching lower latency on Windows actually. They just really know their business. With my new laptop and my UCX, I run relatively busy projects at 128 samples buffersize. I can go down to 32 samples at the start of the project if I want to but it makes no sense as the total roundtrip is already like 6/7ms at 128 samples and half that for softsynths. Are you having any issues or is this a theoretical exercise?
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