2015/07/27 23:43:38
mudgel
Great discussion John T and AT. Good points made on both sides. Certainly very informative on why or why not to do one way or another. Please don't allow any discord to overshadow the benfit your experience brings to the forum. Thanks.
2015/07/28 08:36:49
John T
AT
 
 
I read the thread, I understand what it was about.  But after 10 or 12 posts about using how to make the sound better by using effects I went to the old line of recording more like you wish the sound to be. 
 
 


Well, anyone who cares to can scroll back to th3e top of the thread and read it and see that's not what happened. Indeed, nobody mentioned sound at all. The thread was entirely about functionality up until we were all told we didn't know how to track by a chap who thinks serial processing is some bizarre fringe technique.
 
Myself, I don't care to be talked to like that, not even by people who do know what they're on about.
2015/07/28 10:39:30
AT
Mike,
 
no problems here.  And tiffs are no big thing, since I always wear big boy pants.  Compared to driving in Dallas, navigating these forums is a piece of cake.
 
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2015/07/28 11:11:24
sausy1981
Anyhoooooo, Do we reckon the ability to be able to have more than one of the compressor modules available in the prochannel at one time is a good idea? And whats the chance of it happening.
2015/07/28 11:44:03
John T
I think it's the kind of logical overhaul that'll happen at some point, but I don't get the feeling it's a high priority. And that's probably fair enough; there are ways of doing the same thing, more or less, just slightly less ergonomically nice ways.
2015/07/28 13:02:28
AT
Sausy, you can put more than one PC compressor in serial - I used to use the PC76 and Cake Opto emu all the time.  I just put both on a track to make sure that hadn't changed.  I just never realized you couldn't put more than one 76 in line before this thread since I never tried to do that. Cake designed it that way, so they must have not thunk it necessary to have 2 76s on one track.  They must have their reasons - funny.
 
But you should really try the Ca-2A comp from Cake.  Emulates the la2a, the other must-have hardware compressor which has a different tone and different slope than the 76.  The 1176 into an La2A has been pretty much the standard vocal chain since the 70s.  Of course, it takes some time to learn how they work together to make them sing, but when they do, it is a sound you will instantly recognize (esp. on older stuff where they used the hardware versions - most of the time that limited the number of units available so the most important tracks got that treatment [one reason old vocals and leads stand out from the rest of the tracks which didn't have that 1176/La2A magic]).
 
The Ca-2A is probably the favorite comp here on the forums from Cakewalk.  Trigger warning tho: I have colleagues who drop $100 on a compressor or $50 on a gate and the next month $125 on EQ.  Whatever is the latest thing.  After a year they've spent enough on software emus they could have bought a piece or two of high-quality hardware instead.  And if you've ever had a good guitarist play a nice instrument in a decent room into an 1176 and captured the tone that is heard on hundreds hits, you'll grow cautious about buying seemingly inexpensive plug-ins.  So I am perfectly happy using the 3 PC units 90% of the time (including the SSL buss comp, which is magic, well, on busses) for itb.  Get the opto and you will be pretty well set on software comps.
 
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2015/07/28 13:06:21
scook
AT
 I just never realized you couldn't put more than one 76 in line before this thread since I never tried to do that. Cake designed it that way, so they must have not thunk it necessary to have 2 76s on one track.  They must have their reasons - funny.

I believe it was explained in msg #2 above. It all goes back to the original PC which only had one slot for a compressor.
2015/07/28 13:55:09
AT
I never realized that before, scook, until you walked back through it.  It seems a long time ago.  I never tried to put 2 76s (or SSLs) on a single track, but I have many of the PC modules and never noticed they were missing from the drop down menu. 
 
I guess it is fair to say Cake didn't warrant it worthwhile to insert any kind of compressor into more than 2 spots at first.  And it isn't worth the extra programming hours today for now free products.  Which leaves the OP hoping against odds that it will get fixed, or buying another PC module to have compressors in 3 different spots in the chain.
 
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2015/07/28 17:55:16
sausy1981
I wish I hadn't started this thread lol....
2015/07/29 02:28:08
mudgel
Maybe we should lobby to have the ProChannel modules available in the fx bin. that would seem the easiest from a programing point of view and provide the most flexibility. all Pro Channel modules are VSTs just a bit of code that locks them inside the PC. Yes/No.
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