• SONAR
  • Asking for a revision of the "Rolling Release" model (p.2)
2018/08/20 14:44:18
bitflipper
BTW, it is not necessary to apologize if English is not your first language. Many native speakers here do not have that excuse.
 

ya but the concept behind the studi inst stings with the 3 vilos and bass, is great the sound are not bad better able to mix the strings via pian view andwith the visual abillity of 3 string inst in front of me

(A native English speaker from Massachusetts)
 
2018/08/20 17:02:51
chuckebaby
Bristol_Jonesey
a13xhp
Hey people!
I was wondering if the current "Rolling Release" model of Cakewalk is really the best way to improve the program. I usually agree with "Rolling Release" models because, in a more traditional business model, you have to wait for the release of a new major version to see some serious changes. However, Cakewalk comes with changes every month in form of "Monthly Updates" to keep us perpetually expectant but, in my opinion, this changes are a little meaningless lately.
In summary, I think It would be better to implement a "Rolling Release" model in which the updates really count and respond to the community petitions. Maybe this could be accomplished with an "insiders" program to test the changes and a "pre-release" discussion thread in the new upcoming Cakewalk Forum. Do not get me wrong please, I really want Cakewalk constantly evolving, but in a more democratic, logic and "to the point" way that avoid obligatory Montly additions. 
What are your thoughts on this?
P.D.: Sorry for my English. I promise that I have tried .


There's nothing obligatory about the updates. You do not have to install them
 
When you're talking about a free product, I fail to see how democracy enters into the picture. We are NOT paying customers.
 
BTW, your English is fine.




I had the same opinion when I first read this thread.
then it dawned on me, what if I am using a version I like but decide I want to try the latest update.
If I update, there's no way to get back to my previous version unless I make a system back up (which can be gigs and gigs)
There's no previous installers downloaded, they disappear (unless you know the trick to back them up before install). Bandlab isn't offering previous versions.
 
So while I share your sentiments about not punching a gift horse in the mouth ("its free").
Bandlab should offer a way to roll back like Command center did.
2018/08/20 17:52:26
Bristol_Jonesey
Yeah I hope that's something in the pipeline. It's all too easy to forget to make a coy of the download before you hit the install button.
2018/08/20 19:18:04
mettelus
I find it concerning that the mindset is to throw unnecessary computer maintenance back onto the user. I own no other programs (DAW or otherwise) that my first reaction to an update is, "Oh crap, better back this up." I am very confused as to why this is okay as the status quo for CbB. That "Gibson paradigm" should have been kicked to the curb as soon as Gibson abandoned SONAR. Monthly updates fueled a failed membership plan - learn from it and move on to better.

It is a very hard sell (and future) to force folks to understand IT (backtrack installs, hack registries, etc.) well beyond any other program in order to use it (properly).
2018/08/20 20:02:31
Audioicon
mettelus
I find it concerning that the mindset is to throw unnecessary computer maintenance back onto the user. I own no other programs (DAW or otherwise) that my first reaction to an update is, "Oh crap, better back this up." I am very confused as to why this is okay as the status quo for CbB. That "Gibson paradigm" should have been kicked to the curb as soon as Gibson abandoned SONAR. Monthly updates fueled a failed membership plan - learn from it and move on to better.

It is a very hard sell (and future) to force folks to understand IT (backtrack installs, hack registries, etc.) well beyond any other program in order to use it (properly).


Unfortunately, when something is Free, you cannot complain about it.
2018/08/21 05:42:25
mettelus
It is ironic when people will lump sum a situation into one bucket, then dismiss it. "Free" implies that BandLab is carrying it (potentially only until 2019), meaning more funding or traction via "not-free" is established. Bottom line is the "future" via reputation and proof-of-use (both of which are suffering political damage at this time) is the real stake here. Dismissing acknowledged issues because something is "free," puts projects created going forward (the future) in serious jeopardy. Seeing people tailspin on work flows, and comments in other various threads (the deployed memory leak shocked me a bit), makes it difficult to even give away something that's free (personally, I am 0-3 on this). When a new user (again, the future) has a cool idea but is faced with the hurdles and glitches these forums identify in order to track/mix it, things go down hill fast.
 
"Free" is not a value proposition, core competency, or anything of the sort. As a loss leader, it can be, but requires attracting customers.
2018/08/21 08:00:59
eve_ripper
I really like to see something new. I really like to see it fast enough, because new features must make music creating process faster, more intuitive and inspiring.
BTW, Cockos (Reaper) are making updates too often. And it’s great to see bug fixes.
2018/08/21 12:02:53
chuckebaby
Audioicon
mettelus
I find it concerning that the mindset is to throw unnecessary computer maintenance back onto the user. I own no other programs (DAW or otherwise) that my first reaction to an update is, "Oh crap, better back this up." I am very confused as to why this is okay as the status quo for CbB. That "Gibson paradigm" should have been kicked to the curb as soon as Gibson abandoned SONAR. Monthly updates fueled a failed membership plan - learn from it and move on to better.

It is a very hard sell (and future) to force folks to understand IT (backtrack installs, hack registries, etc.) well beyond any other program in order to use it (properly).


Unfortunately, when something is Free, you cannot complain about it.




There is a fine line between complaining and constructive criticism.
I'd like to believe we all want a better product and we all want to see Cakewalk succeed and prosper.
So while I agree with you about not complaining because its free, it is nice to hear the voice of users giving their opinions on a way to better the product.
 
2018/08/21 14:10:08
tenfoot
Bristol_Jonesey
When you're talking about a free product, I fail to see how democracy enters into the picture. We are NOT paying customers.

 
Audioicon
Unfortunately, when something is Free, you cannot complain about it.



This sentiment, however true,  is the reason many pro users have jump ship to other DAW,s as their first choice despite the resurrection of Cakewalk.
 
 
chuckebaby
So while I share your sentiments about not punching a gift horse in the mouth ("its free")…...
…... it is nice to hear the voice of users giving their opinions on a way to better the product.



Definitely uncool to punch any horse in the mouth Chuck! I think the phrase is 'look a gift horse in the mouth', but your version certainly has more impact mate. I totally agree that informed user opinions lead to a better product.
2018/08/21 16:00:46
Audioicon
chuckebaby
 
There is a fine line between complaining and constructive criticism.
I'd like to believe we all want a better product and we all want to see Cakewalk succeed and prosper.
So while I agree with you about not complaining because its free, it is nice to hear the voice of users giving their opinions on a way to better the product.


It appears, well for now that Bandlab is not getting any monetary returns on this software and for this reason I like to believe things are strongly priority based when it comes to what features are released.

Personally, I tend to stay away from so called free things because there is a certain lack of accountability and in most cases you are at the mercy of the person giving you stuff.

Yes, you can complain or make simple request but the key is, you are and will always be at the mercy of Bandlab. 

Which is why the whole free thing stinks!


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