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2016/09/14 15:44:48
Jeffiphone
Just bought a 36 piece Auralex Roominators foam kit to treat my room. My "studio" is in a very small spare room measuring 8x10. (I should've just posted a picture here, but I forgot). Anyway.....the room has 3 full walls (one with a standard door), and one wall with a mirrored sliding closet door and a window next to it.
 
Via the interweb, I think I've figured out where I should put my panels, but not sure what to do with the window and the mirror.
 
Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. And also any "must do's" for panel placement would really help me out too! I trust you guys more than stuff I find on the internet.
 
FWIW....I haven't bought corner bass traps yet. That is next on my list.
 
Thanks all.
 
~Jeff
2016/09/14 16:46:32
Mosvalve
You don't want your room too dead so as far as the mirrored sliding closet door and a window I would leave them alone. The mirrored sliding closet door you can temporarily cover with a blanket if need be. You also want your mix position to be on the shortest wall. Hard to say where to place the panels etc the obvious area's which I'm sure you know.
2016/09/14 16:55:57
Bristol_Jonesey
Yeah, the sliding mirror could work to your advantage - making the room more dead/lively depnding on what you want!
 
Depending on the type of tiles in your kit, try and treat the corners first, from floor to ceiling.
I actually bought a few (4?) triangular shaped ones and glued these to the actual door so that when the door is closed, the tiles run from top to bottom exposing their long edge to the room.
 
2016/09/14 19:55:39
bitflipper
^^^This. Especially if the mirror is a door to a closet containing clothes, ideally winter overcoats. 
 
I wouldn't worry about making the room overly dead. Any 8x10 room is never going to have desirable acoustics. Make it as dead as you can, I say.
 
Just bear in mind that those Auralex panels are nonlinear, and will do absolutely nothing below around 500 Hz. The result is the room will be very dead-sounding to your ears, but will remain far from dead to a microphone in the low frequencies. Bass traps in the corners will help; get enough to go from floor to ceiling, as the corners where 2 walls and ceiling/floor meet are the most critical spots for bass trapping.
 
As for the best bang for the buck placement of those panels, concentrate on two primary locations: the surface behind your speakers, and the reflection points on the side walls. While sitting in your mix chair, have someone hold a mirror up to the wall to your right or left. When you can see your speakers in the mirror, put an "X" on the wall and start sticking up panels there. Then, if you're ambitious, get a step ladder and do the same on the ceiling.
2016/09/14 20:10:47
thedukewestern
Room setup 101
 
Make sure the speakers are throwing down the room the LONGEST way.  If your in an 8 by 11 room - your speakers should be facing.. if possible... so they are firing down the 11 feet.  If the glass you mentioned is at the end of one of those long runs - try to face the speakers the other way so they are not firing into the glass rear wall.   If they are - cover the glass surfaces - somehow - with a blanket - or even some of those cool panels you bought.
 
Stay away from any dimension that is divisible by 2.
 
Your speakers should not be at 50% height... they should be right where your ears are.. which is usually a little less than half.   Your seated mix position should not be 50% down the room (where usually the largest cllection of nodes and or standing waves collect) it should be at 38%.  If your firing your speakers down a 10 foot room, that means your head (ears) should be 3.8 (45.6 inches - 10x12=120 inches x.38=45.6)  feet away from the front wall. Now - build a perfect triangle based on that 38% position.   Both speakers should be pointed directly inside the triangle at your ears.
 
Now that you know where your sitting, and you have your speakers setup - - sit there.  Hopefully - you now have a symetrical mix environment... with this triangle placed equilaterally between the right and left walls.
 
Have a friend drag a small mirror along the LEFT wall untill you can see the cone of the RIGHT speaker in your peripheral vision.  That is where your first reflection from that right speaker will be (assuming your sitting in the mix triangle at 38%)  Thats where your first sound panel should go.  Do the same to the other wall.  The 2nd main source of trouble from reflections is the rear wall - and could typically benefit from panels that are at the same height as your speakers.
 
The 3rd and most overlooked place that needs treatment is behind your speakers.  More than likely theres a great deal of bass and low mid buildup.   You can purchase bass traps, or make them which is typically cheaper...  and you get to pick cool fabric colors!
 
I hope this helps
2016/09/14 20:11:45
thedukewestern
bitflipper
^^^This. Especially if the mirror is a door to a closet containing clothes, ideally winter overcoats. 
 
I wouldn't worry about making the room overly dead. Any 8x10 room is never going to have desirable acoustics. Make it as dead as you can, I say.
 
Just bear in mind that those Auralex panels are nonlinear, and will do absolutely nothing below around 500 Hz. The result is the room will be very dead-sounding to your ears, but will remain far from dead to a microphone in the low frequencies. Bass traps in the corners will help; get enough to go from floor to ceiling, as the corners where 2 walls and ceiling/floor meet are the most critical spots for bass trapping.
 
As for the best bang for the buck placement of those panels, concentrate on two primary locations: the surface behind your speakers, and the reflection points on the side walls. While sitting in your mix chair, have someone hold a mirror up to the wall to your right or left. When you can see your speakers in the mirror, put an "X" on the wall and start sticking up panels there. Then, if you're ambitious, get a step ladder and do the same on the ceiling.


 I was typing right when you were HAHA!@
2016/09/14 20:18:17
Unknowen
Lots of opinions here... that's a good thing! everyone has their own trick and tips that work...
You can plug in your room stas at the Auralex site and they will make you a floor plan placement diagram.
IMO, I would think that you want to remove the closet doors. And hang up moving blankets,
The extra space of the closet and items hanging up as well, behind the blanket will help defuse the bass.
And as others said, are all good points.  You may want to find out how to build your own traps on YouTube.
in a room that small, you will need to work out the issues as you go...
Fun times ahead! :)
peace!
2016/09/14 20:27:00
Unknowen
Bristol_Jonesey
Yeah, the sliding mirror could work to your advantage - making the room more dead/lively depnding on what you want!
 
Depending on the type of tiles in your kit, try and treat the corners first, from floor to ceiling.
I actually bought a few (4?) triangular shaped ones and glued these to the actual door so that when the door is closed, the tiles run from top to bottom exposing their long edge to the room.
 


lol, I glued panels on a door once... just once, then we bought a new house... ouch. here I used tacks to hold them on the doors.. But now I would say, try and use some type of command strip system... with say Velcro ???
 
peace!
2016/09/14 21:57:48
Kev999
Speaking of closets, my room has a pair of closet doors that open on hinges. I keep them slightly open so that they are not parallel to the opposite wall.
 
2016/09/15 01:27:00
bentleyousley
Jeffiphone
 
FWIW....I haven't bought corner bass traps yet. That is next on my list.
 


Consider these guys:

http://www.gikacoustics.c...-flexrange-technology/

I recently treated a room of similar size and these traps worked very well. Gik has acoustical engineers on staff that are available to advise you by email or phone. I found their advice an excellent guide to making the correct choices the first time through the process
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