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2016/11/11 15:17:12
Annabelle
When I'm in edit clips mode, I want to find out, how can I make it so that Fade Mode is able to obey Snap To Grid? It's strange that Crop Mode works with Snap To Grid, but Fade Mode doesn't. Is there an option that I can enable, like a checkbox? If so, how would I fix this? Also, in Fade Mode, it's strange that I can hear the results when I increase or decrease fade ins, but why can't I hear the results when I increase or decrease fade outs? Also, I can make fade-ins long or short, but it seems I can only make fadeouts short. No matter how many times I press the Numpad+ and Numpad- keys, the fadeout won't increase or decrease. This happens with the numpad Plus and Numpad Minus hotkeys that specifically map to "Increase" and "Decrease" in both "Crop" and "Fade" mode in "Edit Clips Mode" of the "Enhanced Clips Mode" of Numpad 0.Also, what's up with the volume of JAWS (Job Access With Speech) turning down when I Decrease a fade-in or increase
a fade out? JAWS is running on my computer's built-in soundcard, while my project's audio runs on my MOTU 896HD audio interface. Is there a way I can fix this? Perhaps a little source code needs to be modified so Sonar can recognize that I'm trying to press the + and - keys that route to fade mode in Enhanced Clips Mode.
2016/11/11 21:38:15
Cactus Music
I'm sure your aware that 8.5 is long gone and no longer supported. You might be the last one on earth using it. Don't get me wrong, it's great software but most all of us have moved on and how things worked in 8.5 is soon forgotten by all the wonderful helpers here. I still have it installed on my DAW computer and If I get a chance tomorrow I'll see If I can duplicate your issue. 
2016/11/12 00:07:39
Annabelle
Cactus Music
I'm sure your aware that 8.5 is long gone and no longer supported. You might be the last one on earth using it. Don't get me wrong, it's great software but most all of us have moved on and how things worked in 8.5 is soon forgotten by all the wonderful helpers here. I still have it installed on my DAW computer and If I get a chance tomorrow I'll see If I can duplicate your issue. 


Do you remember the hotkeys I explained? Will you be able to tell me if this is a bug when you try it out? By the way, Sonar 8.5 is the latest version that has accessibility for screenreaders like JAWS (Job Access With Speech). The guy that makes Caketalking, says he doesn't plan to update it to work with newer versions of Sonar, which is such a shame. If they've made new versions of Sonar, I sure hope they had us sight-impaired folks in mind when they started anew.
2016/11/12 14:02:31
Earwax
Annabelle,
 
I’m not sure what sight-impaired assistance features are available for the current Sonar products. However, while you continue to research those possibilities, you might want to look into Reaper. I’ve provided some links below, all but one from this year (2016), that would suggest that current versions of Reaper continue to be supported by developers of sight-impaired assistance software.
 
Just as current Sonar products are, in many ways, light years ahead of Producer 8.5, so too are current Reaper versions, in many ways, light years ahead of Producer 8.5. I currently have Sonar Producer 8.5, Sonar Producer X1, Sonar Platinum Lifetime, and Reaper. They all work. But, for sight-impaired people, Reaper may be the most modern option.
 
Great thing is, you can try it for free while you continue to work with Sonar.
 
Here are the links -
 
https://blog.bryansmart.com/
 
https://www.coolblindtech.com/reaper-on-windows-episode-1-general-introduction-why-reaper-is-awesome/
 
http://godigitalqld.dsiti.qld.gov.au/JamieTeh/stories/making-audio-production-more-accessible-to-the-blind1
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=175681&highlight=screen+reader
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=175583&highlight=screen+reader
 
The last link is actually a report of someone having an issue with a screen reader on Mac OS with Reaper. So, obviously, all is not perfect. I would still suggest checking it out.
 
Good luck.
2016/11/12 17:12:18
Annabelle
Earwax
Annabelle,
 
I’m not sure what sight-impaired assistance features are available for the current Sonar products. However, while you continue to research those possibilities, you might want to look into Reaper. I’ve provided some links below, all but one from this year (2016), that would suggest that current versions of Reaper continue to be supported by developers of sight-impaired assistance software.
 
Just as current Sonar products are, in many ways, light years ahead of Producer 8.5, so too are current Reaper versions, in many ways, light years ahead of Producer 8.5. I currently have Sonar Producer 8.5, Sonar Producer X1, Sonar Platinum Lifetime, and Reaper. They all work. But, for sight-impaired people, Reaper may be the most modern option.
 
Great thing is, you can try it for free while you continue to work with Sonar.
 
Here are the links -
 
https://blog.bryansmart.com/
 
https://www.coolblindtech.com/reaper-on-windows-episode-1-general-introduction-why-reaper-is-awesome/
 
http://godigitalqld.dsiti.qld.gov.au/JamieTeh/stories/making-audio-production-more-accessible-to-the-blind1
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=175681&highlight=screen+reader
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=175583&highlight=screen+reader
 
The last link is actually a report of someone having an issue with a screen reader on Mac OS with Reaper. So, obviously, all is not perfect. I would still suggest checking it out.
 
Good luck.


Since you say you have Sonar 8.5 Producer Edition, would you please be so kind as to try and test the hotkeys in fade mode that I've mentioned, and see if it works for you?
2016/11/12 19:22:35
chuckebaby
Annabelle
Earwax
Annabelle,
 
I’m not sure what sight-impaired assistance features are available for the current Sonar products. However, while you continue to research those possibilities, you might want to look into Reaper. I’ve provided some links below, all but one from this year (2016), that would suggest that current versions of Reaper continue to be supported by developers of sight-impaired assistance software.
 
Just as current Sonar products are, in many ways, light years ahead of Producer 8.5, so too are current Reaper versions, in many ways, light years ahead of Producer 8.5. I currently have Sonar Producer 8.5, Sonar Producer X1, Sonar Platinum Lifetime, and Reaper. They all work. But, for sight-impaired people, Reaper may be the most modern option.
 
Great thing is, you can try it for free while you continue to work with Sonar.
 
Here are the links -
 
https://blog.bryansmart.com/
 
https://www.coolblindtech.com/reaper-on-windows-episode-1-general-introduction-why-reaper-is-awesome/
 
http://godigitalqld.dsiti.qld.gov.au/JamieTeh/stories/making-audio-production-more-accessible-to-the-blind1
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=175681&highlight=screen+reader
 
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=175583&highlight=screen+reader
 
The last link is actually a report of someone having an issue with a screen reader on Mac OS with Reaper. So, obviously, all is not perfect. I would still suggest checking it out.
 
Good luck.


Since you say you have Sonar 8.5 Producer Edition, would you please be so kind as to try and test the hotkeys in fade mode that I've mentioned, and see if it works for you?


good question. im not sure why he took all that time promoting Reaper when it would have taken 3 minutes to try and repro her problem. I know some people who are very happy with Sonar 8.5. yes it is dated but why have to re learn the wheel switching to Reaper when you could still use Sonar 8.5 ?
 
I know this is possibly the 4th time you have created a thread with the same question. My only advise is, I would check in preferences for a setting under fade clips. cant remember to be honest.
I was under the impression that JAWS still worked even in Sonar X2.
See here: SONAR and screen readers for vision impaired users.
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SONAR and screen readers for vision impaired users
SONAR has a special Accessibility Mode which can be helpful for vision impaired users when working with screen readers (Window-Eyes, JAWS, etc.). The Accessibility Mode is enabled by adding a key to the Windows Registry (WARNING: only do this if you are comfortable with editing the Windows registry; you may want to back up the registry first), and allows screen readers to receive various information from SONAR that may otherwise not be displayed on the screen (names, values, etc.).
The key is:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2
 
The Value is:
AccessibilityMode
It is a DWORD. Value can be 0, 1, 2 or 3:
0 - no accessibility (default)
1 - put the access string in the Track view's caption
2 - put the access string in the CWACCESS window
3 - put the access string in the CWACCESS window and make this window visible
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2016/11/13 02:23:58
SquireBum
Annabelle,
  I ran my old version of SONAR 8.5 and tested fade-in and fade-out for both snap to grid functionality and audible effect.  Everything worked on my system as expected, but I don't use any type of screen reader, such as JAWS, on my system.
 
Hope this helps,
Ron
 
2016/11/13 11:04:18
John
I believe Windows 10 can read a screen for vision impaired users. I don't believe it only works with Sonar 8.5. 
2016/11/13 15:26:42
Annabelle
SquireBum
Annabelle,
  I ran my old version of SONAR 8.5 and tested fade-in and fade-out for both snap to grid functionality and audible effect.  Everything worked on my system as expected, but I don't use any type of screen reader, such as JAWS, on my system.
 
Hope this helps,
Ron
 


Did the Numpad Plus and Numpad Minus keys work in Enhanced Clips mode to increase and decrease the fadeout?
By the way, I have Windows 7, not Windows 10. Mine is also 64 bit version.
2016/11/13 18:13:01
SquireBum
Annabelle
SquireBum
Annabelle,
  I ran my old version of SONAR 8.5 and tested fade-in and fade-out for both snap to grid functionality and audible effect.  Everything worked on my system as expected, but I don't use any type of screen reader, such as JAWS, on my system.
 
Hope this helps,
Ron
 


Did the Numpad Plus and Numpad Minus keys work in Enhanced Clips mode to increase and decrease the fadeout?
By the way, I have Windows 7, not Windows 10. Mine is also 64 bit version.




I just tried Enhanced keyboard editing mode in both SONAR 8.5 and SONAR Platinum 2016.10.  Fade in and fade out do not follow Snap to Grid.  Cropping does follow Snap to Grid.  Both SONAR versions function the same way on my system.
 
Hope this helps,
Ron
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