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2018/08/19 23:23:39
chasmcg
I need to change the tempo of a midi file to a different tempo than the project tempo. I saw a youtube video indicating that it can be done but it was for a different DAW than Cakewalk by Bandlab. Anyone familiar with that? Thanks. 
2018/08/20 04:53:29
brundlefly
MIDI will take on the tempo of an existing project into which you import it, and will follow any tempo changes made after the fact whether imported into an existing project or opened as a new project.
 
In CbB, you can modify the initial tempo by double-clicking the tempo shown in the Transport module of the Control Bar. Or you can modify or add tempo changes via Project > Insert Tempo Change or by opening Views > Tempo View, and clicking the + button, or clicking the button to open the list pane, and double-clicking a tempo in the list.
 
If the goal is to end up with a MIDI file that has the new tempo, simply Save As, and select a MIDI type in the Type dropdown.
2018/08/20 05:22:58
chasmcg
Thanks for the reply but I need to change the tempo of a midi file to a different tempo than the project tempo. Thanks.
2018/08/20 08:27:12
Kalle Rantaaho
I don't think it's possible. A project can only have one tempo which is applied on every track.
The workaround could be bouncing or exporting the MIDI track to audio in its desired tempo, and then change the project tempo back to "main tempo". 
The tempo of the audio inside a clip can be whatever as long as Audio Snap or similar aren't involved.
 
Of course you can also record the MIDI playing live in whatever tempo you want, free or using an external metronome which you can afjust independet of the project metronome.
 
2018/08/20 09:28:55
msmcleod
Kalle Rantaaho
I don't think it's possible. A project can only have one tempo which is applied on every track.
The workaround could be bouncing or exporting the MIDI track to audio in its desired tempo, and then change the project tempo back to "main tempo". 

 
This isn't true - you can change tempo as many times as you want within a project (ALT + SHIFT + 5)
 
@chasmcg - I think what you need to do is set the MIDI clip time format to absolute time (H:M:S rather than M:B:T), bounce the MIDI clips to themselves, then lock the MIDI clips.
 
Once you've done that, changing the tempo shouldn't affect your MIDI as it's locked to absolute time rather than the tempo.
2018/08/20 10:28:06
Bristol_Jonesey
msmcleod
Kalle Rantaaho
I don't think it's possible. A project can only have one tempo which is applied on every track.
The workaround could be bouncing or exporting the MIDI track to audio in its desired tempo, and then change the project tempo back to "main tempo". 

 
This isn't true - you can change tempo as many times as you want within a project (ALT + SHIFT + 5)
 
@chasmcg - I think what you need to do is set the MIDI clip time format to absolute time (H:M:S rather than M:B:T), bounce the MIDI clips to themselves, then lock the MIDI clips.
 
Once you've done that, changing the tempo shouldn't affect your MIDI as it's locked to absolute time rather than the tempo.


What Kalle meant was you cannot have different tempi at any one point in the project running simultaneously
 
Of course you are free to have as many tempo changes as you want - I've seen projects with hundreds of changes.
 
 
2018/08/20 10:39:03
msmcleod
Bristol_Jonesey
msmcleod
Kalle Rantaaho
I don't think it's possible. A project can only have one tempo which is applied on every track.
The workaround could be bouncing or exporting the MIDI track to audio in its desired tempo, and then change the project tempo back to "main tempo". 

 
This isn't true - you can change tempo as many times as you want within a project (ALT + SHIFT + 5)
 
@chasmcg - I think what you need to do is set the MIDI clip time format to absolute time (H:M:S rather than M:B:T), bounce the MIDI clips to themselves, then lock the MIDI clips.
 
Once you've done that, changing the tempo shouldn't affect your MIDI as it's locked to absolute time rather than the tempo.


What Kalle meant was you cannot have different tempi at any one point in the project running simultaneously
 
Of course you are free to have as many tempo changes as you want - I've seen projects with hundreds of changes.
 



Ah, that makes sense - I stand corrected :)
2018/08/20 12:19:10
chasmcg
Thanks for the replies. This is what I'm wanting to do. This is done in Reaper.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SCfucRDRb8 
2018/08/20 12:33:21
msmcleod
What to do:
  1. Set your MIDI clip time format to H:M:S:F in the clip properties.
  2. Right click on the clip, and "bounce to clip(s)"
  3. Lock the clip
Then you can change your project tempo without affecting the MIDI clip.
 
If you need the MIDI back in Measures/Beats/Ticks:
  1. Unlock the clip
  2. Set the MIDI clip time format back to M:B:T
  3. Right click on the clip, and "bounce to clip(s)"
The MIDI event times will now be relative to the measures/beats for your new tempo
 
2018/08/20 13:07:48
Kalle Rantaaho
^ I should have remembered that one. I've read about it before here on the forum... Well, age doesn't come empty handed...
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