chuckebaby

timidi
Keep in mind that when/if you simply open automation lanes, that a volume envelope is automatically created.
This will defeat any static changes you try to make to volume with any of the faders or sliders.
It's a bug in my mind.

 im sorry... did you say a bug ?
why else would you press that automation lane button (to open a lane) ?

Well, for one, to automate a reverb send. 

That's not a bug, but if I were the developer I would name the "-" button on the lane "Hide Automation Lane," as opposed to the current "Remove Automation Lane." Also, I'd fix the bug that causes the lane to disappear when you right-click on the envelope and choose Assign Envelope. Someone already reported it IIRC.

 
if it's not a "bug", then it's just a stupid idea.
 
If I open the automation lanes to work on a pan envelope (that I created) and adjust the delay send (that I created) and maybe pull down the threshold a little in the chorus on the compressor envelope (that I created) why should I always have to look out for and remove a rogue volume envelope (that I didn't create). If I don't remove it, any adjustment I make to volume using the fader will not work. 
 
Actually, probably the volume faders and sliders should override the volume envelope, not the other way around. So that once an envelope is created (or not), the faders and sliders work in a sort of offset mode moving the envelope (and nodes) globally.

It was done by design. SONAR does not permit empty automation lanes. SONAR assigns the first available parameter to a new lane.

timidi
 
if it's not a "bug", then it's just a stupid idea.
 
If I open the automation lanes to work on a pan envelope (that I created) and adjust the delay send (that I created) and maybe pull down the threshold a little in the chorus on the compressor envelope (that I created) why should I always have to look out for and remove a rogue volume envelope (that I didn't create). If I don't remove it, any adjustment I make to volume using the fader will not work. 

 
If you start your automation by right-clicking the control you want to automate, and choose Write enable you won't run into this. Incidentally, and this sort of addresses the comment made by icontakt above, if you choose to use the "-" control to "Remove Automation Lane" on a virgin envelope, it will do just that, remove it completely. It's only when at least one additional node is added that the Lane is removed but the envelope reverts to it's ghosted state in the parent track.
 

Actually, probably the volume faders and sliders should override the volume envelope, not the other way around. So that once an envelope is created (or not), the faders and sliders work in a sort of offset mode moving the envelope (and nodes) globally.

I could not disagree more strongly. What would happen to all/any subsequent level changes the envelope is attempting to write? Does the fader revert to the envelope position once you finish touching it? Or does it stay where it is and offset every subsequent node. Not only would this be  a bugger to program, I can see users getting into a right mess trying to work out what's going on.
Don't forget, you do have several options when using the faders to automate - Touch, Overwrite & Latch. And you have Offset Mode for affecting an entire envelope.
 

icontakt
Although I've never wished I could completely hide automation envelopes, I recently learned that you can actually do it by disabling View -> Display -> Display Ghosted Data in the Track view.

thanks for this tip....I didn't know this one. Completely removes the ghosted automation envelopes from view.

timidi

chuckebaby

timidi
Keep in mind that when/if you simply open automation lanes, that a volume envelope is automatically created.
This will defeat any static changes you try to make to volume with any of the faders or sliders.
It's a bug in my mind.

 im sorry... did you say a bug ?
why else would you press that automation lane button (to open a lane) ?

Well, for one, to automate a reverb send. 

Then simply change the automation filter to a reverb send. it will not effect your Volume at all.
and if you do happen to hit a lane by accident, Click the (-) Minus button in the lane and your back to where you were. no harm done.
 
Is not possible to have a lane open without an assignment of some kind.
there's a reason you open a lane. don't you think ?
Like I said, even if its an accident, takes literally 1 click to rectify the mistake. (by clicking the minus button).