Jarsve
 
6. Automated faders on Busses
 

don't know if you've seen this before,
i'm just starting to drill down into this thing as well..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qPCXGFJDA4

I am pretty sure Studio One is good, but it is going to be rough times changing over.
 
I just bought it and tried it out for a couple hours.
 
I really miss the gain control. All pro mixing boards have a gain/trim control, but not Studio One. I really hope I can get comfortable with this.
 
I miss having the master output on a track instead of the console. I never used the console mode in Sonar, a waste of space.
 
And I miss having the ability to name myself on the forum instead of getting an assigned name.
 
Its going to be a long difficult conversion for me.
 
I hope they make some videos for us Sonar folks
 
Here is a nice thing to know about
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/To-my-fellow-X1-and-Studio-One-users-m2527296.aspx#3699149
 
Good luck!

I have one positive thing to say about Studio One that i have not been liking about Sonar. And that the pan. That you in S1 can type in you ban insted of the way in Sonar where you have to dial it in by the mouse. That is time consuming if you have 21 track of choir you want to pan in a specific way.
 
What S1 needs fast is groups in the faders, pans, mute, solo and so on. The way that is in sonar is priceless. I use them all the time. then you can make one automation for all the tracks in the group without having to make the automation for all the tracks.

Jarsve

Sylvan
I ran some more tests last night. I had some trouble with my screen captures though so I will have to do it again so I can show what I did and show the results. But in the meantime this is what I can tell you as absolute fact...
 

Great that others find what i heard. I belive that I can and will make good music in my new Studio One, but there was a difference when i put in the the same project into S1 and had all the faders the same.
The same levels on the faders didn't work. You have to re mix everything.
I might have been  a little angry in my opening post. But I was angry. I was really angry that i couldn't make it sound the same.
 
I have tried to mix this fast in S1 to compaire. The faders are different. And I dont have Breverb, REmatrix Solo and BT Compressor CP2S-3. For the Bass with the BT Compressor, I imported the freezed track.
 
Studio One:
https://soundcloud.com/oyvind-jarsve/together-as-one-studio-one
 
Sonar:
https://soundcloud.com/oyvind-jarsve/together-as-one-sonar
 
I guess this mixes is in no way scientific. But you can hear what I struggle with.

SO after listening, I can hear a difference but I really do think it is in the plugins.

What I am hearing is this: 
 
Sonar=slightly warmer and "smeared" in a pleasing way like true tape saturation.

S1= a bit more detailed and a little better stereo image.

No appreciable difference in bottom end amount, more in the shape at least to my ears and in my room.  (fairly well tuned and treated and monitoring through Mackie HR824s.

Both good, both usable but yes, different.

For reference here is a sonar mix I did that I think accentuates the positive aspects of Sonar.  If I can, I will remix this in S1 to compare.

https://soundcloud.com/simplem-1/windy


 

SimpleM

Jarsve

Sylvan
I ran some more tests last night. I had some trouble with my screen captures though so I will have to do it again so I can show what I did and show the results. But in the meantime this is what I can tell you as absolute fact...
 

Great that others find what i heard. I belive that I can and will make good music in my new Studio One, but there was a difference when i put in the the same project into S1 and had all the faders the same.
The same levels on the faders didn't work. You have to re mix everything.
I might have been  a little angry in my opening post. But I was angry. I was really angry that i couldn't make it sound the same.
 
I have tried to mix this fast in S1 to compaire. The faders are different. And I dont have Breverb, REmatrix Solo and BT Compressor CP2S-3. For the Bass with the BT Compressor, I imported the freezed track.
 
Studio One:
https://soundcloud.com/oyvind-jarsve/together-as-one-studio-one
 
Sonar:
https://soundcloud.com/oyvind-jarsve/together-as-one-sonar
 
I guess this mixes is in no way scientific. But you can hear what I struggle with.

SO after listening, I can hear a difference but I really do think it is in the plugins.

What I am hearing is this: 
 
Sonar=slightly warmer and "smeared" in a pleasing way like true tape saturation.

S1= a bit more detailed and a little better stereo image.

No appreciable difference in bottom end amount, more in the shape at least to my ears and in my room.  (fairly well tuned and treated and monitoring through Mackie HR824s.

Both good, both usable but yes, different.

For reference here is a sonar mix I did that I think accentuates the positive aspects of Sonar.  If I can, I will remix this in S1 to compare.

https://soundcloud.com/simplem-1/windy


 

That would be great

You can already do quick groups and make changes to many tracks/channels at once.  I think it is time to start learning the program properly.  All that is very basic stuff.

Jarves, I grouped tracks in S1... volume Mute and Solo all worked together on the group. So, I think it does this already?
 
SimpleM: I have noticed that the stereo field seems more focused in S1 vs Sonar as well. 
 
The thing that I feel is missing is basic MIDI data editing support.  I didn't use the EVENT LIST often but when I had to dig in to adjust the MIDI data (cc codes mostly), it was there.  S1 has NADA for this as far as I can tell. 

SimpleM
 
https://soundcloud.com/simplem-1/windy

 
Great song and mix!

Jeff Evans
You can already do quick groups and make changes to many tracks/channels at once.  I think it is time to start learning the program properly.  All that is very basic stuff.

Indeed, very true, a lot of people who have only used the product for 5 minutes are making a lot of claims that are simply rubbish, it's just ignorance. Just because you don't know how to do something in Studio One doesn't automatically mean Studio One can't do it, more often than not it will be due to your lack of knowledge.
 
[edit] there will be things SONAR can do that Studio One can't, but there is also things Studio One can do that SONAR can't, that's life. SONAR is dead, what it can do now is all it will be ever able to do, Studio One is very much alive, and the sky is the limit.

Jarsve

SimpleM
 
https://soundcloud.com/simplem-1/windy

 
Great song and mix!

Thanks for the kind words

Just in case you were unaware, (bet you are younger than me...) the song is a cover from the late 60's by "The Association".  It was one of their two big hits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPYT9Vyu62A

This is just a fun mix I did with me singing all the backgrounds and vocals instead of using instruments (except for drums and bass).  The drums are EZdrummer Vintage Rock and the bass is Sonar SI Bass.

After I thought about it, this was not done with Sonar effects or mix engine, this was all mixed through a Behringer X32.

Still will be interesting to see how an S1 Mix compares.