• SONAR
  • Sonar is great, but i want inputs, 8 or 16 channel mixer attached like a real studio.... (p.3)
2016/10/27 10:53:10
azslow3
paul jenkins
Hey well, thanx everyone.....because im a small time home studio person.....after checking out all these options ive decided to buy a Zoom R24 , 24 track

I am looking at it since long time. I think for "small time home studio" use case it is close to perfect compromise in terms of size/functionality/price. I still do not have it since: (a) only 2 outputs (b) I have worries about the quality (c) have have already a set of controllers and audio interfaces. But what has moved me into "stand by" state with that was UAC-8. I just hope ZOOM will upgrade RXX with that technologies. That can double the price, but since that is the only company which still produce "all in one" units (in reasonable form-factor and price range), that probably will not stop me.
 
paul jenkins
So sanderxpander, just to clarify, are you saying the cakewalk console one will give me a more analogue sound, or the x32, or my zoom r24?

Console One is a set of (hi quality, expensive) plug-ins and hardware controller which primary purpose is controlling these plug-ins. May be you can get "more analogue sound" with it, but only in case you add an audio interface.
 
BTW you are comparing different price ranges and form factors: Live/Big group oriented (+huge+expensive) X32, entry level "all rounder" R24 and top end software mixing plug-ins from Console One.
2016/10/27 11:04:39
BobF
I've had a Zoom R24 for quite a while.  I bought it more for stand-alone use, but it turned out to be a decent audio interface + minimalist control surface.  It's been awhile, but IIRC, the lowest latency settings weren't quite there for my use as an interface and I don't remember if it will do CS duty while using a different interface.
 
I still have the R24 for stand-alone use and to backup my US-16x08 if needed.
 
I ended up getting a FaderPort, which combined with AzCtrl is doing just fine while I search for better overall integration in a keyboard/controller.
2016/10/27 11:15:44
tenfoot
BobF
I ended up getting a FaderPort, which combined with AzCtrl is doing just fine while I search for better overall integration in a keyboard/controller.

 
A fellow pilgrim on the eternal search Bob! Using a Faderport + A300 Pro + Lemur myself but the quest continues:)
2016/10/27 11:17:17
tlw
If you want a control surface for Sonar, consider a multi-touch screen. It will integrate better than just about any hardware controller because it needs no driver to interact with the DAW and no configuration in the DAW it just works for a DAW like for all other applications. And it is much less likely to be rendered redundant by operating system updates or you deciding to change software.

For an interface, if the budget allows get an RME UFX+, or for less money a Focusrite or Motu interface with the number of inputs you need. If the interface hasn't enough inputs (e.g. you actually need 32 inputs, most outside pro studios don't) use ADAT to add further banks of inputs. RME interfaces for example come with Totalmix which is a "virtual digital mixer" which removes the need for a physical hardware desk.

What is not needed any more is a big mixer with one input per track each feeding a track on a tape recorder or DAW used as a tape recorder, so long as you're not recording entire bands at a time. If you are recording entire bands many low-price mixers with a USB output actually only send a stereo pair to the DAW down the USB cable, not 32, 24, whatever individual channels.

DAWs can (mostly) have as many tracks as your PC can handle, and you can route any interface input or output to any channel.

If you really want or need to go down the "looks impressive, big digital mixer, maximum hardware, high quality, etc" road then as well as Behringer take a look at Solid State Logic's desks. But be aware you can have all that control in software for a lot less money. Regarding a DAW as a substitute 24 track tape machine while doing everything by routing in and out of a hardware mixer is to miss out on most of what a DAW can do and tape can't.
2016/10/27 11:39:12
paul jenkins
So the zoom r24, probably hasnt the best quality sound as a interface, control surface for sonar........but i could buy the cakewalk sonar one and the zoom 24.........nah.........im really not a pro at sound engineering, so it will do me fine, to have 3 drum mics, 2 vocals, bass and 2 guitars, for some not to bad demos.........so i hope the sound quality and latency is ok to use it as a sound interface for sonar
2016/10/27 11:41:10
paul jenkins
Buy the console one sonar hardware and zoom r24 i ment to say
 
2016/10/27 11:44:32
chuckebaby
tenfoot
chuckebaby
I opted a cheaper route. I went with a Focusrite 18I8 and a Mackie control unit.
the Mackie control I bought used for 200 usa bucks. the Focusrite was 300.
the 18I8 has 8 inputs and the Mackie has 8 faders, pan knobs, exc.
 
I'm from the old school where I need to have my hands on faders and buttons Vs. a mouse wheel and keyboard.
so this set up can be had for 500 bucks if you find the right deal.


Chuck's idea is a very solid suggestion. There is a lot to be said for a dedicated audio interface. Whilst I use 2xX32's for live work, an RME Fireface + Controller's is my studio weapon of choice:)


The X32 looks amazing. I would turn in my set up for an X32 in a heartbeat :-)
the price however is a bit steep for me at the moment but I think my next upgrade will be an X32, possible an Allen Heath set up.
2016/10/27 12:19:40
tenfoot
chuckebaby
tenfoot
chuckebaby
I opted a cheaper route. I went with a Focusrite 18I8 and a Mackie control unit.
the Mackie control I bought used for 200 usa bucks. the Focusrite was 300.
the 18I8 has 8 inputs and the Mackie has 8 faders, pan knobs, exc.
 
I'm from the old school where I need to have my hands on faders and buttons Vs. a mouse wheel and keyboard.
so this set up can be had for 500 bucks if you find the right deal.


Chuck's idea is a very solid suggestion. There is a lot to be said for a dedicated audio interface. Whilst I use 2xX32's for live work, an RME Fireface + Controller's is my studio weapon of choice:)


The X32 looks amazing. I would turn in my set up for an X32 in a heartbeat :-)
the price however is a bit steep for me at the moment but I think my next upgrade will be an X32, possible an Allen Heath set up.


I hear ya' Chuck:) For live sound the X32 was pretty hard to beat bang for buck wise, and they seem to have started a bit of a trend. So many companies are bringing out amazing, reasonably priced digital desks now it is hard to keep up! A good time to be alive...and a muso:)
2016/10/27 17:29:41
Sanderxpander
paul jenkins
So sanderxpander, just to clarify, are you saying the cakewalk console one will give me a more analogue sound, or the x32, or my zoom r24? 

Console One is made by Softube. It's a set of plugins with a dedicated controller to make you feel like you're using dedicated analog EQ/Compression on a real console.

An X32 or a Zoom R24 as a mixer are completely unnecessary with Sonar, although you can obviously use the inputs and outputs on them.
2016/10/27 18:39:57
BobF
tenfoot
BobF
I ended up getting a FaderPort, which combined with AzCtrl is doing just fine while I search for better overall integration in a keyboard/controller.

 
A fellow pilgrim on the eternal search Bob! Using a Faderport + A300 Pro + Lemur myself but the quest continues:)




  I'm considering Kontrol/Advance/Panorama for integrated solutions at this point.  I'm also considering Roland FA and blowing off the hardware/software/interop/quagmire altogether.
 
We'll see what happens over the coming season.  The only thing I'm certain of is being tired of half-ass solutions.
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