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2016/10/18 19:54:00
Resort Records
I haven't resolved this yet, but it looks like Craig and Bapu cornered the culprit, judging by Device Manager (see pic) and a relevant discussion I found on the Lynx forums.  The only trouble is, re-installing the Lynx drivers hasn't worked - Microsoft's generic 2015 audio drivers refuse to leave.  And, to be clear, I uninstalled, rebooted, and then re-installed the latest Lynx drivers, per the manufacturer's explicit instructions.
 
I've posted a question to the Lynx forums and Paul is great about answering, but if anybody has any ideas in the meantime, I'm all ears.
 
Here's the scene, unchanged after re-installing my audio card's drivers:
 

2016/10/18 20:37:35
telecharge
Resort Records
Microsoft's generic 2015 audio drivers refuse to leave.



No idea if this is helpful to your situation, but I know those drivers got updated with the anniversary (1607) Windows 10 update.
 

2016/10/18 22:06:51
tenfoot
I had a similar problem with removing drivers. You may have done all of this but here's what worked for me:
 
1.Use windoiws device manager to uninstall the interface with the interface still connected and turned on by right clicking on its listing and choosing uninstall. Once uninstalled, disconnect the interface
2. Use 'control panel>programs and features' to uninstall any software or utility that was used for the original driver install. It may or may not give you the option of deleting the drivers permanently.
3. Restart windows, then reinstall the interface as you would for a first time install.
2016/10/18 22:14:23
telecharge
tenfoot
 
1.Use windoiws device manager to uninstall the interface with the interface still connected and turned on by right clicking on its listing and choosing uninstall. Once uninstalled, disconnect the interface



Good stuff. You are also given the option to delete the drivers at this step, so they won't automatically reinstall.
 

2016/10/18 22:53:18
musicroom
telecharge
tenfoot
 
1.Use windoiws device manager to uninstall the interface with the interface still connected and turned on by right clicking on its listing and choosing uninstall. Once uninstalled, disconnect the interface



Good stuff. You are also given the option to delete the drivers at this step, so they won't automatically reinstall.
 



You should be able to disable the onboard soundcard at the bios level which should lead to being able to disable the drivers.
2016/10/19 00:19:49
Sir Les
ah...I found same kind of issues myself and came to some conclusions on drivers being wonked out by Updates...and audio being messed up because of.
 
Now, I know it ain't a good thing...But as Bob said he keeps his auto update plan set to allow or at least warn of updates....I too did this setup...but one day, for unknown reasons, when I turned off my PC, updates for windows 10 began on shutdown...and then restarting before log on more were installed.
 
So, does that setting of inform before downloading stay as user set?....NO!
 
And that is sabotaging many systems.
 
Now what ever it is they want on our systems...is put there without our permissions, and is causing Grief to peoples settings.
 
AS I SAID...in other posts of mine in the other forum on Problem reports.
 
Yah I bounce, and make long winded the words of stress, and cost...and the MS..is not so like Military over rule...what is over lording our settings to cause mayhem?....
 
See, I am not saying anything else in contrary words, but agreeing to those same words here in this post by so many it seems.
 
Thanks for this...It makes me feel Like I am not alone in the insanity of it...and I do try to make reason for it via seeking the root cause or linkages to or liken device conflicts of same kind of devices getting tangled up by..MS OS and its ties to many things of that sort, not totally in their control...if USER SETS UP...They unset that so they can continue to control, and use the users info..and screw up, to gain paid support plans and such...Perhaps a reason for over riding users settings is just that!......I think I stabbed the beast rightly...
 
Cash Cow...is the golden calf or...that which was brought out of Egypt during the exodus...Moses broke with the commandments...and a great pit opened and swallowed that..and those sacrificing for it....
 
If it is tied to military...and people are now being murdered and warred upon..or oppressed falsely to make them bow down...or used to incur wealth by false measures, and means of putting into sabotage, to gain payment...using systems employed to make work be done...so non can be , without that payment to fix constantly...and what is being made with the tax and the payment...if spying and lying is done, or..they use the users machines to import and export info...and then entrap...or cause a reason to use against...Planting harmful evidence through ip services of users not aware, to further their agenda...making patzies, and scape goats to point at...Saying what?..and causing some to fear and believe , something is attacking...or hacking...When it is just a ploy to red flags and mayhem...to cause hate and stress, and negative energy to be created via frustration.....
 
And then, they screw up all the roads and bridges...and the system is over loaded...and more stress, and other imposed by bad developements and or work ethics of...Those who only gleen wealth as anything worthy...Humans are just expendable units...to pay for their wars...
 
 
Now in the box causing stress as it is deployed into ..
 
TRUTH?
 
Regards!
 
Sir Les
2016/10/19 08:42:46
Sir Les
Another oddity...when these things are being downloaded onto any system...You will note , when using, things are not working properly, because memory allocations are being filled up, and system management is busy writing that data to whatever drive, in whatever secret hidden folder...Which causes a doubling of usage, if recording, or saving Data to , or reading from other Drives.
 
Hence the glitches, and twitchy performances of some real high ended multi core machines running certain OS of not choice..but put into by...in some cases when bought...as a default platform to seed into use.
 
Now, there are other OS systems developed by witty Kids in Some schools made....And are also sort of Free to develop and employ, with some learning and how to do instructions.
 
I know my Bro who has been more into this than I, has told me time and time again...Windows MS OSes suck, because they stole the Dos Kernel codes, and snuffed the creator....Binary codex was created via...The one whom made all things Good,, and the EDEN...which should be Edens by now!
 
Interesting how it is not, and some will not let any complete the Eden Principles...nor try, while they impose their plans to ruin the Eden, keeping the good folk tied up doing other things...far to long, and far from grace...The Helpers are Good people , trying to help stay out of troubled waters....Yet the moat is filling with dirty waters!
 
Now...if something of planting and certain plants can or do clean the waters of the filth....((Baptizing, and blessing the helpers of the Lord's proving his word is Truth))...What are they making with the IDOL?....Tainting all things with its use?....And if really seeing with open eyes...and as always circles..if He said, this sinful and wicked generation will not pass away, until all if fulfilled of the Creators words....Who is the helper of Eden or making more, if Multiplying the Givens (Living things given dominion over, as helpers to keep it clean and presteen) is it writen, or already wrote?...Past, ties...And in that Book of telling...It says.."And they endevour themselves to make it talk, and move,...but it is not made by the creator of Life, or is it living...and they do try to make the machine speak like a Human...in many tongues....
 
I see reason is already with that books telling....If it goes to ruin..it is only because they use it to make the idol, and the machine more important than .....The Creators will and words of instructions, and his laws...Which bring about blessings when done a certain way...Without sin...And it is hard if born into it....
 
Again some say...the Book of telling...is a lie...
But I see merit in some of it being...As it was supposedly written in past....very long ago...Seems fitting in so many ways a truth of today...2000 years after those whom knew a certain person...Saying something of a false or deceptive entity...uses lies, and liars they be.
 
Have humans been to the moon?...not sure, I did not witness anything of that sort ever being with mine own eyes...But was broadcast on crystal with fire...(tv).
 
And today..saying we have sent robots to Mars?...again not sure..as I am not in that reality or space...but it is broadcast on something liken TV...
 
And the Operation of the systems?...Hope?.
 
If we or The creator is in us, to do good, or better...why can we not move more life into the heavens?
 
Sin is bound down, and idols are tied to demonica?.....So Solomon did do?....Perhaps his madness has been cured by fire now?......WTC!...Do we really dig deep enough to the root cause of most of our troubles?...or dig up old methods to employ them?....engraven things...putting in "God we Trust"...on it...when the Main man said it is not his!...Give it to Caesar , and walk away...but Give onto God what is his....Something taken away without permission from the Eden.
 
I wonder what that could be....and it is living..or made living...by he whom made all things Good.
 
I do wish all things would be...so I seek reasons why they are not....and those trying to make em Good or better than...are the gold...kind of lost in direction, but showing merit in their efforts to help without payment, nor cost imposed for.
 
Now if only they would turn to doing service in the Garden, and solving that problem...perhaps, just perhaps...we could seed the heavens with life, and peace be upon all...Trust eh?...Again Prudence, Temperance , and reason!
 
These three spirits tie to the truth!
And it is all in a book of telling....how wonderful our lord is...whom holds all, so all can see...
We still do, or try to do, as we were meant to ....Helpers...although slightly out of phase with the creation...Computers do save trees, in a round about way...Go plant more of...and more of many plants...and do good, with the Good...and we may just meet in the clouds?
 
 
Think hard people..
2016/10/26 23:08:47
Resort Records
Well, I finally resolved this issue.  I was hoping to keep my infidelity a secret, but there's no avoiding it anymore:  On October 2nd, after discovering that Sonar wouldn't support my investment in Audio Ease Altiverb XL, I begrudgingly purchased and installed Cubase 8.5.
 
As it turns out, Cubase installs a mandatory "Generic Low-Latency ASIO Driver" that wreaks havoc on Sonar, Pro Tools, and perhaps other software.  Though these reports have been circulating for years, there is still no official solution.  One fix is to (backup and) delete two keys from the Windows registry:
 
  • HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\ASIO\Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver
  • HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ASIO\Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver
 
This worked for me, though I don't consider it a complete fix.  The registry is now littered with other, orphaned entries.  A registry cleaning tool may be in order.  On the bright side, Sonar loads projects again and appears to be in perfect health.
 
I should also point out that the screen capture I shared earlier depicts a healthy Device Manager after all.  This was a panic-induced misunderstanding on my part.  [It happens.  And more often than I care to admit.]  Windows 10, as it turns out, modified Device Manager so that the sound card drivers are no longer displayed as in previous versions.  I'm told those are Microsoft's WDM port drivers and are correct.  This is still second-hand information - I haven't confirmed with Lynx yet - so if anybody running Windows 10 can verify that Device Manager is indeed showing Microsoft drivers for your audio cards, I'd be grateful.
2016/10/26 23:28:21
telecharge
Which build of Windows 10 are you running, David? Have you gotten the anniversary update?
 
Click Start > Settings > System > About (at the very bottom)
 
You will see a "Version" number like 1511 or 1607.
2016/10/26 23:31:21
Resort Records
Apparently not.
 
I'm still on version 1511.  OS Build 10586.633.
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