marvinglenn2
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MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
Hi Guys!
After applying my final FX processing to my semi-final music trak and getting the sound I want, the final bounce comes out sounding un-processed by the processors on my mix bus and on my master bus.
The solo-ed traks are 1. The music trak, 2. The mix bus and, 3. the master bus. All are routed to the Quad Capture and they sound great. On the mix bus I have the Waves processors GW MixCentric and Abbey Road Vinyl. On the Master bus I have NLS and PuigChild 670.
When I bounce to the final trak, the settings are: Source Category - Tracks, Channel Format - Stereo, Dithering - None.
There's no automation on any of the traks. All FX processing is checked/accepted and I'm using Fast Bounce.
Tried many times for with no success. Never happened before to me. Any Suggestions from you? Thank you!
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/01 17:32:17
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Using source category "tracks" bypasses all buses so that makes total sense. You could use "buses" for instance and select the master bus.
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marvinglenn2
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 01:07:14
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Thanks, Sanderxpander. What I'm understanding from your suggestion above is that for "source category" I could choose "busses" but I'm wondering how I specify the Master bus when I choose "busses"
It's weird that I get inconsistent results no matter what source category I choose. That is, sometimes the sound comes through the FX processors beautifully when assigned to "tracks" and sometimes when assigned to "busses" but I can't count on consistent results from either one. When I bounce, only the active track is soloed. The bus and the Master are not soloed but are active, seen by the meter on each.
What am I doing wrong? Thanks!
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 01:41:59
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I think you must be mistaken about getting inconsistent results with consistent bounce settings. You will definitely not get bus FX when source is Tracks. You won't even get a mix of the selected tracks; you'll get one file per track with only the FX on each track.
Start by de-selecting everything (Ctrl+Shift+A), then bounce/export with source = Buses, and deselect all but the Master bus. So long as all your tracks and subbusses are outputting through the Master bus, that should give you exactly what your hear on live playback.
If you're bouncing the Master bus to another track within the project make sure the output of that track is direct to hardware Main Outs so it doesn't get "re-Mastered". You can then A/B the bounce against the live mix on the Master bus by grouping the mute buttons in opposition.
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 02:09:24
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When I am exporting a finished mix I select the 'Entire Mix' from the Source Category and I have never had any problems.
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brundlefly
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 13:48:24
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Entire Mix is okay if you don't have any sends to additional hardware outputs (e.g. headphone outs, external meters/FX, etc.), but if you do, those signals will get summed in to the bounce/export.
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 14:45:24
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brundlefly
Entire Mix is okay if you don't have any sends to additional hardware outputs (e.g. headphone outs, external meters/FX, etc.), but if you do, those signals will get summed in to the bounce/export.
And for that very reason I always use Main Outs
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marvinglenn2
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 16:41:23
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Thank you for your help, ALL of you! I've created 7 published albums with Sonar and have never experienced this. From past experience, it's probably something I'm overlooking. However, the problem isn't solved yet so I'm including a LINK to a screenprint showing the Arranger AND the Console together so you can see my settings. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/96bowwsl3oaiyxo/AAA4244N7FhPll1yZgxxfPh6a?dl=0 The problem now is that I'm getting clipped mixes when bouncing. It does seem I'm hearing the correct FX processing but something is WAY over-driving the sound into clipping. Thank you, again, for your ideas and help.
post edited by marvinglenn2 - 2017/01/02 17:23:56
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marvinglenn2
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 16:41:35
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Thank you for your help, ALL of you! I've created 7 published albums with Sonar and have never experienced this. From past experience, it's probably something I'm overlooking. However, the problem isn't solved yet so I'm including a LINK to a screenprint showing the Arranger AND the Console together so you can see my settings. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/96bowwsl3oaiyxo/AAA4244N7FhPll1yZgxxfPh6a?dl=0 The problem now is that I'm getting clipped mixes when bouncing. It does seem I'm hearing the correct FX processing but something is WAY over-driving the sound into clipping. Thank you, again, for your ideas and help.
post edited by marvinglenn2 - 2017/01/02 17:22:14
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 18:38:11
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Set your Export Source Category to "Entire Mix".
And export.
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/02 20:10:24
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As it is I always use the following , for a long long time now and it's always exactly what I wanted.
First , yes, all must go to the master buss.
Mute the master buss to proof. Everything should be silent including effects.
"Select none" this seems to work 100% of the times. I found "select all" iffy with soft synths.
I use the default Sonar export. I've never had to change it, ever, other than I change 32 bit to 16 if I'm going to burn a CD. I don't even know what the default setting is! Must be entire mix?
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marvinglenn2
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/03 18:01:17
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/03 18:13:42
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Your VINYL bus is both Outputting and Sending to Master. The summing of these tow idential signals will give you a 6dB boost in level right off the bat. And the EQ on the Master is also adding level.
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marvinglenn2
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Re: MASTER BOUNCE IS VERY MUDDY
2017/01/04 23:50:21
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Well, the big mistake I made in all of this was to route each of my individual music tracks to the Master bus which, of course, maxxed the system out and caused clipping in the bounce.
Thank you all for your patient help and tutoring. Even veterans like I can still screw up and cause themselves unnecessary headaches.
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