steelgtr
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M-Audio And Sonar?
Good match? I'm hearing it's all about the drivers? Considering this unit: http://m-audio.com/m-tracks/2x2 This would be with Sonar 8, if it matters. Win 7 Pro 64x. thx bob
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 20:44:56
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 21:18:47
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If you are looking for a budget USB audio interface (i.e. the 2 input stuff < $200), the best recommendations for Sonar that I have seen on these forums, based on driver compatibility and latency are the Tascam US-2x2 ($119 US) or the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 2nd Gen ($149 US). I have a legacy M-Audio interface that they quit making drivers for in 2009. They only support their current products. I'm just lucky that their Windows 7 drivers still work in Windows 10. If I need a quick USB replacement I will probably choose one of the above. For a larger studio setup with lots of inputs and a bigger budget, you have some great choices (MOTU, RME, etc). But for the budget end, good ASIO drivers and pre-amps seem to be the limiting factor. So that tends to narrow the list down fast.
post edited by abacab - 2016/08/18 22:16:40
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steelgtr
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 22:10:23
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Very interested in the Steinberg now, too :)
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 22:55:45
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 23:03:34
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what not to get:
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
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abacab
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 23:05:26
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chuckebaby what not to get:
ROTFL!!!
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 23:14:12
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kitekrazy1 Go with this. http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/audio_interfaces/ur_series/models/ur22.html No longer a fan of M-Audio because of driver support. If you want to spend some money and will pay for itself over the years and best driver support ever would be an RME product.
Interesting . . . while I could never dis M-Audio, since I had one of their PCI audio interfaces perform for me very well for 15 years, though after my Win 10 update, it became clear I needed something newer, so I have found the Steinberg UR22-MkII to be very solid with Sonar Platinum on my laptop. (On my desktop I went with M-Audio M-Track QUAD) You are correct, it is all about the drivers, especially matching the drivers to your current OS and Sonar version, but always keep the future in mind, if you ever upgrade your Sonar version or your OS version.
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/18 23:53:53
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steelgtr
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/19 00:09:53
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/19 00:20:43
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RME and MOTU are renowned to have some of the best drivers in the marketplace for audio interfaces, but notice that their price point is considerably higher than the others ?
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/19 00:37:52
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Just as a data point: My current audio interface is an old M-Audio FW-410 - used in Win 10 Pro! Turns out the last M-Audio Win 7 (64-bit) FW-410 driver (5.10.0.5058) WORKS just fine in my Win 10 Pro - good thing too since I dual boot Win 7 Pro and Win 10 Pro and didn't want to have to buy a new audio interface. My machine is a self-built workstation (multi-purpose machine: DAW, gaming, and an actual "put food on table" work machine). The MoBo is an ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 and I use the MoBo's FW port. That is in spite of the (incorrect) rumor mill that was saying Win 10 wasn't going to support IEEE 1394 (aka FW) anymore.
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/19 10:10:34
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bluesplayer Just as a data point: My current audio interface is an old M-Audio FW-410 - used in Win 10 Pro! Turns out the last M-Audio Win 7 (64-bit) FW-410 driver (5.10.0.5058) WORKS just fine in my Win 10 Pro - good thing too since I dual boot Win 7 Pro and Win 10 Pro and didn't want to have to buy a new audio interface. My machine is a self-built workstation (multi-purpose machine: DAW, gaming, and an actual "put food on table" work machine). The MoBo is an ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 and I use the MoBo's FW port. That is in spite of the (incorrect) rumor mill that was saying Win 10 wasn't going to support IEEE 1394 (aka FW) anymore.
Same here. I had originally bought the FW-410 10 years ago to use with a Dell P4 laptop with Firewire as a portable DAW (Sonar 6) recording rig. The laptop has been retired (it actually still has Sonar 8.5 installed), but when I built a new desktop/DAW studio/workstation I no longer had any PCI slots for my M-Audio card. So I bought a PCIe Firewire card cheap and hooked up the FW-410 on Windows 7 on the new PC. No issues with Sonar, sounds great. The funny thing about these M-Audio drivers is, they actually work better now with my mobo and Intel chipset on Windows 10 than they ever did on Windows 7. I could NEVER get sleep to work with the Firewire connected. It would crash my system. Blue screen, with a debug pointed right at mafw.sys every time. Even some warm reboots occasionally blue screened for me. But on Windows 10, this thing sleeps like a baby now! Reboots are clean now too. Happy!!! As a loyal Midiman/M-Audio customer over the many years since I first set foot in the Cakewalk/DAW world, I am sad to report that it's no longer the same company. It has been acquired and sold a couple of times since the FW-410 was made. So I no longer feel that I would trust them enough to continue buying their products. They seem to be quick to end of life their products and/or quit development of their drivers. I bought an Axiom 49 and called their parts department a few years later for a spare part. Sorry! But we have a new version of the Axiom we can sell you ! Ha!
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steelgtr
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 14:45:07
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I picked one up at Guitar Center on a whim. Disapppointed so far, mainly because the inputs are so weak; need to run the gains up almost or all the way to get a decent signal. Tried my steel guitar directly in, my stomp box modeler (Zoom multi-stomp) which is what I always use to record direct, a CAD GXL-2200 studio condenser Mic, and my ipod out full volume. First AI have tried so I have no comparison, but would like one with way more input gain! bob
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Brian Walton
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 15:24:27
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I still use an M-Audio 18/14 without issue. I was upset they didn't update it to have a Win 10 driver. However, it seems to work flawlessly under Win 10 so far. Thus it still works just fine. They are lazy and should update/support the drivers for older hardware and my future purchase will reflect that even though this one happens to work now.
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 15:27:13
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While it is possible to use older OS drivers on "legacy" M-Audio equipment, it is clearly not the intent of the current owners to make that easy to discover or implement. I have what might be called an M-Audio/Midiman studio, but I would be reluctant to buy any more product under that name. One way to overcome the costly consumer policy of if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it is to just stop writing updated drivers, on the ill founded assumption that customers will happily buy new products under your brand as they trudge to the dumpster with their outdated hardware. The cost of writing and making a new driver available in a format that the average user will be able to find and recognize as working in a new OS, is actually pretty small if spread over a large customer base. Making the drivers available for automatic discovery and download from the Windows driver catalog is not that expensive either. Reaching out to maintain access to drivers for products you no longer sell (or even own in some cases) would seem a small cost in comparison with an advertising budget to keep your customers' good will.
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 15:48:38
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For price vs value vs quality I'd definitely go with Focusrite as others have already mentioned. My 18i20 has been rock solid with Win 10/64 bit and Sonar Platinum. Very good pres and A/D's too...
Win 10 x 64; CbB; SPlat; MixCraft 8 Pro; AMD FX4130, 3.8 GHz; DDR3 32 GB Ram; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20; SSD 1TB, 2 x 1TB and 1 x 640 GB HDD; Mackie HR624 Monitors, KRK G2 Rockit 5's, Dual HP S2331 23" MonitorsMusic and SFX http://www.radiosparx.com/georgeandmarguerite
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 18:56:48
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For a cheap 2x2 AI for my laptop, I think I have narrowed my preferences down to these 3: 1. Tascam US-2x2: Tascam's own Ultra-HDDA discrete mic preamps. MIDI in/out. Optional AC adaptor. 2. Steinberg UR22MKII: D-PRE Class-A discrete mic preamps from Yamaha. MIDI in/out. ASIO drivers from the developers of ASIO technology. Optional power adaptor. 3. Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen): Upgraded preamps from 1st Gen. No MIDI. USB powered only.
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 19:06:30
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I upgraded my M-Audio M-track to a Focusrite 18i8. I'd say get the Focusrite. Lot's of quality for a few bucks more. Worth it.
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steelgtr
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 19:55:04
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djwayne I upgraded my M-Audio M-track to a Focusrite 18i8. I'd say get the Focusrite. Lot's of quality for a few bucks more. Worth it.
Does the Focusrite have better gain than the M-audio? I hate not having any headroom! bob
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 19:55:42
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chuckebaby what not to get:
Actually those run pretty good. I have one.
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 20:09:53
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steelgtr
djwayne I upgraded my M-Audio M-track to a Focusrite 18i8. I'd say get the Focusrite. Lot's of quality for a few bucks more. Worth it.
Does the Focusrite have better gain than the M-audio? I hate not having any headroom! bob
Yes I believe it has 60db gain, which is more than the M-Track. I don't know what the M-Track's gain is, but the Focusrite just seems more powerful, plus the Focusrite 18i8 has the Scarlett software which enables you to control all the routing that the 18i8 is capable of, which is REALLY nice. I wish I would have looked at the Focusrite first, but at the time I was looking for "cheap."
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Re: M-Audio And Sonar?
2016/08/22 20:13:42
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I have several audio interfaces, including an ancient Kore 1 from NI that is likely over 10 years old now. My primary audio interface is a Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL, with an 8-port light-pipe expansion unit for a total of 16 ports. LOVE that. I also have a Yamaha/Steinberg UR22, and that too is rock solid - running in Windows 10 connected through a USB 3 port with no issues. I also had recommended a Focusrite unit that was comparable to the UR22 to a friend of mine, and that has worked flawlessly for 2 years now for him. And, I cannot recall ever seeing anything bad posted about the RME units, though I have never seen or used one. Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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