M-Audio Evolution MK-461C

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2004/01/25 10:24:09 (permalink)

M-Audio Evolution MK-461C

I want this midi keyboard controlller

Does anyone think I will have any parameter assigning conflicts
or that I will not be able to control the software mixer with the 9 faders on the keyboard

here is the controller's web page

Depending on the responses I get, i would like to order soon...

http://www.midiman.com/index.php?do=products.main&ID=894dee116b69d772e036222f8441950c
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    b rock
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    RE: M-Audio Evolution MK-461C 2004/01/25 10:54:41 (permalink)
    I've seen these KBs, but not used them (very new). It looks like the 5-octave offspring of an Oxygen8 and a UC-33e at a good price. The only part that bothers me is only 10 onboard memory locations, but if you're familiar with sysex, this shouldn't be a limitation.
    I will have any parameter assigning conflicts I will not be able to control the software mixer
    There are a few different ways to approach this with Sonar. The MK-461C has presets and assignable controls which can be shaped within the KB to form a 'Sonar' preset. You can use a generic control surface and/or remote control/automation within Sonar to respond to your KB's MIDI messages.

    You'll probably end up using up some combination of all the methods. Although you will have to do some initial work setting this up, once you save a few presets I don't foresee you having any problems accomplishing what you want to do. [It looks good to me!]
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    RE: M-Audio Evolution MK-461C 2004/01/25 12:40:40 (permalink)
    Thanks a million, one more question, does such a controller allow you to browse through the patches of software synths, as if they were integraded within the keyboard, you know, like presets on a hardware synth

    appreciate you assistance.
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    RE: M-Audio Evolution MK-461C 2004/01/25 12:43:06 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: b rock
    The only part that bothers me is only 10 onboard memory locations, but if you're familiar with sysex, this shouldn't be a limitation.


    b rock,
    could you explain this a bit more -- what is a memory location? and why is 10 not so good? and how would sysex get around it?
    (i was looking at this same keyboard, too.)
    t.
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    RE: M-Audio Evolution MK-461C 2004/01/25 13:14:41 (permalink)
    does such a controller allow you to browse through the patches of software synths

    PureSongz03:
    My Oxygen8 has a convoluted way of sending program changes, involving an offline process with the MIDI/Select and the B&W keys themselves on the controller. This is not the way to go. My Remote25 has dedicated program changes buttons to browse through patches, including those on a soft-synth. Both methods can also be recorded by Sonar.

    While I don't know the method implemented in the MK-461C, I would certainly suggest d/l the manual before purchase to see if it utilizes the second (preferred) way.
    what is a memory location? and why is 10 not so good? and how would sysex get around it?

    tommydee:
    A memory location in the MK-461C stores a 'preset'; that's a complete setup of all configurable controls in the controller. The advantage of this is having a preset for mixing in Sonar, one for each soft-synth, one for Project5, etc. at your fingertips for instant recall. While there is some work involved in setting each preset up, once you do it you're set each time you want to use that particular program.

    You can see that it would be easy to soon run through 10 memory locations like this. Perhaps ten might be enough for your present needs, but I think you should consider any future additions that you might acquire. That said, the MK-461C allows you to store as many 'banks' of 10 presets that program as a 'sysex' file. This contains all your settings for all 10 presets in a bank that can be transferred back and forth at will between Sonar and your controller. [BTW: You can store 8192 such banks within one project within Sonar!]

    Once again, I'd suggest d/l the manual to see the particulars in how this is accomplished with the MK-461C.
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    RE: M-Audio Evolution MK-461C 2004/01/25 14:56:12 (permalink)
    After poking around a little, I found some additional information without downloading the MK-461C manual (it's about 8.3KB):
    has dedicated program changes buttons to browse through patches
    It seems that 2 of the 8 dedicated function buttons are for programs change (up & down...?).
    'sysex' file ... can be transferred back and forth at will between Sonar and your controller.
    This can also be done (probably graphically) with an included PC librarian. Here's a link to the source of my information.

    It looks like a great controller with lots of programmability and some unique features. Of course, try to play one first to see if it fits you ergonomically, as well as your style (and desktop). If you've got the inclination, here's the link to the manual.
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    Re: RE: M-Audio Evolution MK-461C 2015/12/18 09:42:29 (permalink)
    Sorry for necroing' this old thread, but there's some great info in here, so I thought I'd just ask, re the 10bank memory, and sysex transfers, what it means (the implications), in laymen's terms.
     
    I haven't yet delved into Sysex (still trying to get my head around CC mgmt and MIDI commands), I've been reading , where it mentioned
     
    "The idea of parameter numbers, as opposed to , is that they are easier to use and faster to transmit."
     
    Like I said, haven't yet looked at sysex/osc, so this may be premature...
     
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the Enigma tool (formerly the Librarian tool, referenced in the PDF) the only way of getting patches into ya keyboards memory banks?
     
    Found this
     
    The dual press “MEMORY DUMP” buttons will send out a number of Sys Ex data packets that represent the 10 memories you have set up in your MK-449C/461C (MK-225C: Press “DATA LSB” and “RECALL” simultaneously to send out memory dump). This is useful for storing or backing up the contents of your memory presets externally. You can record the complete memory dump in to a standard sequencer. To recall the memory dump back, play the MIDI track containing the recorded memory dump to the keyboard, making sure that the MK-425C/449C/461C’s drivers are selected as output for that particular track. The current controller assignments are not affected by a memory dump, or a memory send to the keyboard. Once a memory dump has been sent to the keyboard, you will need to recall a preset to access the new memory settings. 
     
    I was with it until it mentioned 'play back midi track in sequencer containing controller assignment data...'
     
    I thought the MIDI track just has the performance info, velocity change etc on channel x...
     
    Not explaining myself well!!! still seeking that illusive MIDI 101 for 'noobs guide
     
    ' Enigma includes a huge library of files for your favorite VST plug-ins, instruments and host apps. Programming is as simple as dragging the software parameter you want to control onto the graphic representation of the controller on your screen.'
     
    If I've got all these different synths and drums and stuff loaded in reaper, and I'm performing, is there a 10-preset memory limit before I need to interrupt performance and override the active 10 banks? 
     
    I think I'm gonna start with Fruityloops. 
     
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