MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!!

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2012/06/25 20:21:55 (permalink)

MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!!

What the heck is wrong!!! Only days ago, I was using my normal, everyday USB mic, everyday desktop computer, and everyday Music Creator 3 to record audio.
But now, every time I click record, it WILL begin recording; however, as soon as I click record again (to stop recording, of course), it removes what ever I just recorded.
I'm thinking about making a fresh install the first step, but I don't know what to do short of that/what to do alternatively.
Anybody ever experience that? Is this a unique problem, But moreover, is there a fix??
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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/26 03:14:40 (permalink)
    First thing to exclude is a simple human error done by so many:
    When you have armed the track, be sure you press R to record, not Play. There have been numerous cases when a person has watched the waveform preview of an armed track without actually recording anything.

    Otherwise, the problem sounds very strange. I doubt if a fresh install would do any good. USB mics are known troublemakers, but that problem doesn't seem like one caused by it.

    Do the actual clips disappear or are you left with clips with flat line? Have you auditioned that nothing really isn't recorded? If you're left with flat lines, delete the contents of your Picture Cache folder, so MC can produce new waveform pictures.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/27 11:34:09 (permalink)
    Any time people say that they are using a USB mic with Cakewalk products....... I suspect the mic first and foremost as the source of problems. 

    Although I could be wrong.... 

    Something has obviously been changed. Double check the signal path routing.  If all that is good.....restart the computer.... try again..... beyond that.... IDK much about USB mics other than they are problematic. 

    The better option is to use a dedicated musical interface and a normal mic. 

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/27 16:19:36 (permalink)
    Hey, guys. Thanks to both for the replies. Kalle's *kinda* ended up oworking for me; I went to the Picture Cache folder, but only deleted one file from an old project I didn't plan to work on anymore. All of a sudden, the whole things works.

    However, I have a different problem (ish-thingy); Cakewalk was being outright ridiculous, so I decided to shift my Buffers size and buffers in playback queue.

    But I'm wondering how I can determine what are the best settings for my sound card, RAM, and motherboard?

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/27 21:09:12 (permalink)
    There are really no "best for everyone" settings since everyone's computer has different stuff on it; hardware, software, peripherals, etc.
    Theoretically, clicking the Wave Profiler button will let your Cakewalk program 'see' what audio devices you have and set itself to the best it thinks the hardware can handle, but there may need to be some additional tweaking to do even after that. Trial and error kind of thing.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/28 03:55:20 (permalink)
    The settings for your soundcard are problematic, because you are using the USB mic, which is a soundcard itself. Also, the integrated Realtek simply isn't capable of fluent DAW work. So, you have two not-recommendable soundcards, which you can not use simultaneously due to clocking discrepancies.

    To get to "clear waters" and have systems and software work the way they are designed to work you'd need a decent USB soundcard and a normal dynamic or condenser microphone.

    How about your memory? AFAIK it should not be possible to have 7 gigas of RAM, as RAM should be installed as pairs os similar memory combs. If that 7 Gb is correct, that could be one source of problems as well.
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/28 15:20:35 (permalink)
    Totally possible, at least with 3 RAM slots. 1gb + 2gb + 4gb
    Didn't know the amount of RAM could be problematic...
    Also, no matter how much I ask, study, and learn, I just cannot grasp the USB vs. PCI debate on sound cards, or most things about sound cards in general.
    Like you said, since a sound device is itself a sound card, does it really matter which of the two I choose? And what qualifies as a USB sound card, would they be like USB audio interfaces?
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/28 15:55:25 (permalink)
    For some reason..... I was thinking that ALL the RAM cards needed to ALL be the same size and have specs that are compatible with the requirements of the machine.  In other words... mixing and matching don't work as far as I know..... but I don't know it all when it comes to computers.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/29 00:39:47 (permalink)
    Like you said, since a sound device is itself a sound card, does it really matter which of the two I choose? And what qualifies as a USB sound card, would they be like USB audio interfaces?

     
    With MC, a 32-bit program, you won't be able to utilize more than about 4 GB anyway regardless of whether the operating system is 64-bit.
    Using a USB mic to record and the stock sound card to monitor means that you are using 2 different sound devices, each with their own clocks and they cannot be synchronized. This leads to all sorts of problems, especially as more tracks are recorded. Each succesive track will get more out-of-time with the previous tracks.
    Plus, USB mics almost always have to use the MME driver mode, the oldest, slowest mode available. That means tons of latency and less efficient processing of the audio data.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/29 11:12:06 (permalink)
    Aw, man, I am in a bad position. It's really looking to be time to upgrade everything...
    For a USB sound card, would anyone suggest the M-Audio Fast Track (The smallest one around $150)? It would really be a starter for me, so I don't want to go blow the bank before I learn the basics.
    [EDIT] It's been revealed that I'll be getting Music Creator 6 very soon, so I can finally knock some problems away. :)
    Also,  I forgot to mention - This mic isn't straight-USB; it has an audio jack that connects into a small conversion box. I've tried it through the audio jack, and it doesn't really work at all, so I pretty much only use it through the USB converter.
    (For those wondering, it's a mic from the xBox game, Singstar. Pretty lo-budget, indeed.)
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/29 12:15:08 (permalink)
    the "usb conversion box" - what exactly is that?  what brand?  if it's what I'm thinking it's still just as bad as a USB mic except that you can throw it away and still have a mic to plug into a USB soundcard.    except a mic from Singstar xbox is not going to be a good mic either.

    the fast track is a decent starter card.  good solid drivers (usually - unless you're on Vista).

    the fast track is probably what I would get if I were buying an entry level USB soundcard.  check my website, tho, if you want to check out other options.  there are also some (real) mic recommendations there.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/06/29 15:27:38 (permalink)
    I guess what I mean by 'USB conversion box' is that the audio jack on the end of the mic plug into a small black box with a usb cable on it. It's this:

    (That little black box off to the left)
    And the mc I have is pretty much either of those, except with a red band and a blue end/jack protector.

    It's definetly in the waaaaay cheap, but I got it for free from my church, so I wasn't gonna complain. Plus, it's far better than what I was using before, A Logitech QuickCam.

    In any case, Beagle, I'm looking at the ones one your site in the $60 - $120 range. Ones like the Marshall MXL V63M, AT Pro 37, and the Behringer C-2. Well made site and spreadsheet, it's really giving me a good view on where to start for my first mic!

    Me and the guys I work with pretty much only record vocals; We don't plan on recording any instruments any time soon, but I guess it's good to never be too shure.     (pun)

    So what do you think? Where should I go, what should I do? What is a good, cheap ($200-and-less) mic+sound card setup I should go for?
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/09 13:44:04 (permalink)
    UPDATE:
    Okay, so I just learned of something cool and new; I own this little mixing board called the Boss BR-532. I got it for really cheap with an amp I bought for my electric. So I was able to connect the Line Out port of the board to the Line In on computer's sound card, and I can get way better results this way! I now get full stereo (as opposed to was originally mono), pretty much NO noise (at least with the guitar/bass direct input) sound recording!
    Plus, I have live control over the sensitivity, input level, and master volume. It's so much better than however I managede to squeak by before.
    I'll be buying an XLR mic soon, and this mixing board will become part of my permenant recording setup.

    Btw, Beagle, you getting back to me on this thread? I'm still a little wary on what to buy, because I also make videos, and I want to buy a mic that will suit both video and studio recording. Preferable XLR, but I can live with 1/8" or even 1/4".
    Thanks!
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/09 13:59:04 (permalink)
    sorry - I didn't see your response/question above.

    any of those you mentioned are decent.  I myself own a V63M - tho I haven't used it in a long time, it's a good mic. 

    Personally I would not get the AT Pro 37 or the Behringer C-2 if all you're planning on recording with it is vocals.  they're both decent mics, but they're Small Diameter Condensors, which are better suited for recording things like acoustic guitar or other acoustic instruments.  vocals are better recorded with Large Diameter Condensors.

    the MXL V63M is an LD condensor and will be good for vocals (which is what I used it for before I put it in the locker and hadn't gotten it back out again!).

    BUT!  be aware (as I say on my website) that those condensor mics need phantom power to operate!  I wouldn't advise buying a phantom power supply separately - it's not worth the cost since you need a soundcard (interface) as well.  so make sure you go ahead and get the soundcard with phantom power at the same time you get the new mic!

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/09 14:01:32 (permalink)
    also - you really don't want stereo for vocals anyway.  you want mono.  a microphone is a MONO instrument, so you want to record in mono.

    MC will place the mono instruments in the center of the stereo field so that you have equal volumes on both channels from the mono instruments (unless you pan it).  that's the way it's supposed to work.  if you were recording in MC and getting only the left channel, that means you selected the wrong input on the audio track in your MC project.  that can be remedied by selecting the MONO input and then that will put the mono track in both speakers.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/09 15:38:22 (permalink)
    From what I can understand, my mic, when plugged directly into the soudcard's mic input, would only send the Left Channel, and I would have to set the track's mic input to Left only. That was probably the main reason I used theat little USB Conv box, basides the fact that I basically got unusable interference and noise from the plug rolling/shifting around in the input.
    So you're suggesting setting the audio track to Mono?

    In any case, like I said, I figured out (just today!) that I could just send from my mixing board to my line in on my comp, so I can use the mixer as something of a preamp, mixing console (something I REALLY needed) and a central input. In a way, it works for me a bit like how an audio interface would, minus the fact that it sends through audio rather than USB.

    So then, Beagle, my next question is; Would I still be better off going for a USB audio interface rather than analog?
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/09 16:53:30 (permalink)
    From what I can understand, my mic, when plugged directly into the soudcard's mic input, would only send the Left Channel, and I would have to set the track's mic input to Left only

    yes, but that's not a problem.  that's the way it's supposed to work.  your input is a stereo input, so you have to choose left only because your mic is a mono input.

    but the project will put the mono mic input into the stereo field and output to both speakers if you choose the LEFT input when recording.

    a microphone is a MONO instrument - stereo doesn't mean anything to a mono instrument unless you start changing the stereo field it's put into.  you can do that by panning and adding FX.

    So then, Beagle, my next question is; Would I still be better off going for a USB audio interface rather than analog?

    what do you mean by "analog"?  no offense inteded here, but I don't think you understand the terminology well.  "analog recording" means TAPE.  there is no other type of analog recording (well, you could use wax, but that's kind of ancient technology!).

    My BEST advice to you is to get something similar to this setup:
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/m-audio-mobilepre-mk-ii  $150
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mxl-v63m-condender-studio-mic-with-mogami-mic-cable  $100

    there are other combinations, you could choose - that's just one that I know off of the top of my head that should work well.

    as far as your mixer you were talking about earlier, you CAN use it even with this setup, but it's not necessary.  if you want to use it, there are things you can do with it to help you with recording, but starting out and only recording vocals I wouldn't recommend it - just use the soundcard (interface) and mic like I have mentioned above.

    even if you use your cheap mic and your built-in soundcard, you CAN use that mixer, but it's not necessary.  if you use both inputs and the only thing you're recording is the microphone (mono) then you're going to put the outputs of the mixer into the stereo field, but panning will not work correctly because you're trying to pan a stereo track.  it doesn't work the same as panning a mono track.

    so again - my best advice is to get a traditional LD condensor mic and soundcard (usb interface) like I have mentioned above.  if that's out of your price range, then use what you have the way I describe it above (input into the left channel only, record only the left channel and it will send the signal to both speakers from your MC project) until you CAN afford a better setup like I am describing above.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/16 13:04:15 (permalink)
    Back into the spin of this thread, I've been looking at a few inexpensive mics that'll hold me over until I can get a USB soundcard (mainly stuff like the Shure SM57/58, AT2020, Behringer C2/3/4, among others)
    But since I'm tasked with finding a mic that is in any case, better than what I have now (which is virtually ANYthing), I was wondering if I'd be in a better position to do which of the following;
    1) Buy a USB SC and save until I can get a decent mic
    2) Buy a decent XLR mic and use it with my mixer
    3) Buy a decent XLR mic and use it with an XLR to 1/8"

    I don't really know- which is the most important on the hierarchy?
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/16 14:19:23 (permalink)
    Gauge mics are really nice and low priced as well.   The SM 57 is a good all around mic for vocals but there are better mics at that price range..... see the Gauge mics.... as they are condensors in that price range. 

    Some folks here use some inexpensive mics with good results.  So do not think you need to drop a ton of money on a mic to get a good one. 

    I'd definitely get a decent USB sound card first..... get by with the mike for the time and then get a decent mic later.  Using a so-so mic with a good interface will be better than what you are now doing..... so get the interface. 

    If you get an interface, it should have good preamps and phantom power built in for that future mic. 

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/16 16:18:25 (permalink)
    i've skimmed back thru and can't find where you mention exactly what mic you're currently using?  the answer to that will drive what you should get first.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/16 16:40:23 (permalink)
    I'm using a Singstar microphone.
    It's pretty bad, I'd say- sub-decent quality and a horrible amount of background hiss and crud that is the microphone fault. I will admit that I don't really have good conditions for recording anyway, but I'm working on that, and so in my opinion, the mic right now is the biggest problem I have to worry about at the moment.

    So to sum it up, would I actully be better off upgrading to a BETTER mic to record vocals (because I'll be need that a TON in the VERY NEAR future) or getting an interface and trying to use this POC*?

    *piece of crap
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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/16 17:28:13 (permalink)
    well, you really need to upgrade BOTH mic and soundcard.

    but if I had to pick ONE I'd upgrade the MIC first.  however, doing that you're likely going to actually cost yourself more in the future than if you upgraded both at the same time.

    if you can only afford a MIC and not a soundcard at the same time, then get a shure SM58 (since you're doing vocals) and a cable for it, and an adapter for 1/8" to go into your onboard soundcard.

    the SM-58 is a dynamic mic and does not require phantom power.  if you use your onboard soundcard you will not have phantom power available, so you MUST get a dynamic mic.  there are some cheaper dynamic mics than the SM-58, but you'd have to get something similar.

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    Re:MC3 WON'T RECORD AUDIO!!! 2012/07/17 08:21:07 (permalink)
    all the hiss and crud you hear in the mic may actually be the sound card you are currently using. 

    I would still say get a nice interface first and try the existing mic with it and see if it isn't better.   If you get a better mic first, you are still having to jack leg it through the card you currently use..... 

    Some folks here have purchased a condensor mic for about $60 that they say gets really nice results....I do not recall the brand or model. 

     If you are recording acoustic instruments you almost gotta have a condensor to do it right. Plus, a condensor is magnificent on vocals and can be used for many other things as well. 

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