MC54PC
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MC6 Matrix View
I was very close to upgrading to MC5 from MC5LE, when I found out that MC6 is now out. I am very excited about MC6, after reading that it has the MATRIX VIEW. I had demoed, the now vaporware, Project 5, and really liked the matrix layout. Because of that, I had also tried, several times, to get into Ableton Live (the Lite version), but was never comfortable with it. Has anyone tried the MC6 Matrix View? Is it stable? Does it have the same feature set as in Sonar Essential, or is it watered down? I was impressed by MC5LE, but from what I've read, MC6 is different, and has a steeper learning curve. But if the Matrix View works well, I may take the MC6 plunge. Another question: Does the full version of MC5, and the new MC6, have the Guitar Fretboard and Piano Keyboard View? I would like to view these, as a particular track is playing, to help learn songs. Thanks again for any help.
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Beagle
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/07 06:39:07
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stable? yes, I suppose so depending on what you mean by stable. I don't use it myself because it's just not what I need for my workflow. MC6 is very different and if you know MC5 or below it is going to be a learning curve. but I personally like it and think it's worth the effort. MC5, MC6 has fretboard and keyboard (Piano Roll) views for MIDI if that's what you mean. The fretboard view is available in the Staff view and the keyboard is in the Piano Roll View. but you do understand that these are only useful for MIDI tracks, right? audio does not show notes in either of those views in ANY program because audio does not contain data to show the notes.
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MC54PC
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/07 14:21:40
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By "stable", I mean the standard interpretation, (i.e., works correctly, doesn't crash or freeze, etc.) Thanks for the information about fretboard and keyboard. I do understand these are only for Midi tracks, and not for audio. I am also familiar with the Piano Roll view, for midi tracks. By "keyboard view", I was looking for a horizontal piano keyboard that would light up the keys being played WHILE a selected midi track is playing. I assume the "fretboard view" already does this during midi playback?
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Beagle
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/07 15:03:34
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the keyboard does not light up while you play something on a MIDI keyboard, but it will "select" if you click on it. I don't remember the fretboard's behavior and I'm not at home to check it - I have never used the fretboard myself, I just know it's there. although I don't use the matrix view, I'm pretty sure it's stable per your definition. there haven't been any complaints on the forums about that.
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/07 15:33:29
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They may have changed things since 2006 when I purchased my newest Cakewalk software, but there is no horizontal keyboard view in my software and the vertical keyboard in the PRV doesn't show the keys being played as the song plays. The fretboard is only available (in my software on this computer) in the Staff view and does show the notes that are played while the song plays. The DropZone soft synth has a horizontal keyboard that shows the notes being played, but only 2 notes, usually the lowest 2 notes. Other soft synths may do that, too. I'll have to check if Proteus VX does the same when I fire up the DAW later on today. Edit: Changed 'vertical' to 'horizontal' keyboard in DZ.
post edited by 57Gregy - 2011/09/07 20:55:00
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Beagle
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/07 15:56:27
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right - the keyboard is NOT horizontal - it's vertical and it does not light up as the song plays.
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57Gregy
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/07 22:11:24
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☄ Helpful
...and no, the horizontal keyboard in the Proteus VX soft synth doesn't play, either.
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MC54PC
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 01:05:50
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Thanks very much Gregy and Beagle, for letting me know about the fretboard, and lack of horizontal keyboard playback. Since MC5/6 both do it for the fretboard, I would think that Cakewalk would add the feature for horizontal piano keyboard. I can use an app to do this, but was hoping that MC5/6 had the feature built-in. One more thing, do any of you know if MC5/6 can import, edit, and export .kar files? Also, I'd like to know if you can add lyrics to a midi file and export as a .kar file. Thanks again.
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 08:03:04
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Cakewalk products are as stable as the Windows operating system you use will allow. In most cases with a "clean" computer, the program is very stable. Most of the crashes I experience are in fact "self induced". What I mean is I have problems when I'm in playback and try to do something else and the computer "chokes" a bit..... most of the time a simple restarting of the DAW software is all that is required.... not a total boot up.
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Beagle
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 08:38:17
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MC54PC Thanks very much Gregy and Beagle, for letting me know about the fretboard, and lack of horizontal keyboard playback. Since MC5/6 both do it for the fretboard, I would think that Cakewalk would add the feature for horizontal piano keyboard. I can use an app to do this, but was hoping that MC5/6 had the feature built-in. One more thing, do any of you know if MC5/6 can import, edit, and export .kar files? Also, I'd like to know if you can add lyrics to a midi file and export as a .kar file. Thanks again. no, cakewalk doesn't work with karaoke files, but it does do MIDI files and there is a place for LYRICS on the STAFF view, but it's very limited compared to a karaoke file - that's not its purpose.
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MC54PC
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 18:43:50
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Beagle no, cakewalk doesn't work with karaoke files, but it does do MIDI files and there is a place for LYRICS on the STAFF view, but it's very limited compared to a karaoke file - that's not its purpose. Beagle, thanks for the information about .kar incompatibility. Actually, back when I was using Cakewalk Home Studio, I made quite a few backing midi tracks, to play along with live instruments. I always thought that it would have been nice to use the HS Lyrics view to label song sections (e.g., Verse2, Chorus3, Solo Section, etc.), and then export as a .kar file. This .kar could then be played in specialized karoke player software, where one could see where in the song you are, in the karoke lyrics window.
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MC54PC
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 18:57:46
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Guitarhacker Cakewalk products are as stable as the Windows operating system you use will allow. In most cases with a "clean" computer, the program is very stable. Good to know. I feel rather foolish, because I just looked at the system requirements for MC6, and it says Intel Core Duo E8200 2.66GHz or AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4GHz. I have a P4 1.8GHz, WinXP Home + SP3, 2 GB Ram. Is my pc too slow for MC6? So should I just get MC5 full edition?
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 20:53:15
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@ 57Gregy... U sorta look like Gomer Pyle in that pic!
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57Gregy
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 21:06:46
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We are both from North Carolina, but he was in the Marines. I was Air Force. And I can't sing.
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57Gregy
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/08 21:49:57
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MC54PC Guitarhacker Cakewalk products are as stable as the Windows operating system you use will allow. In most cases with a "clean" computer, the program is very stable. Good to know. I feel rather foolish, because I just looked at the system requirements for MC6, and it says Intel Core Duo E8200 2.66GHz or AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4GHz. I have a P4 1.8GHz, WinXP Home + SP3, 2 GB Ram. Is my pc too slow for MC6? So should I just get MC5 full edition? Jeez, and those are the minimum requirements! It will probably run, though, but if it doesn't, it's not their fault. You might be able to pick up MC 5 at a retail store like Best Buy, maybe Guitar Center.
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/09 00:20:40
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I tried the X1 demo on a old single-core system ( I use for internet ) with a sempron processor that doesn't even support SSE2, and it ran pretty well.
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/09 08:35:30
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it should run fine on a system which is lower than the minimum requirements. the problem is that it will limit what you can do. you will be able to use fewer softsynths and FX than you would with a minimum spec'd system. cakewalk employees have said this same thing on the X1 forum regarding X1 minimum requirements.
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MC54PC
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Re:MC6 Matrix View
2011/09/11 01:24:38
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Well, I thought long and hard about this. Because of the new learning curve, and strong likelihood of poor performance on my present PC (I usually load up on VSTs and tracks), I went ahead and bought the full boxed edition of MC5. Thank you all for your help.
post edited by MC54PC - 2011/09/11 20:49:27
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