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MIDI Arranger with Downloadable Styles -> SONAR
The Accompaniment Machine (AMac) is an easy-to-use program that lets you create professional-sounding custom accompaniments to any song, even if you have no experience in composing and arranging. AMac is an invaluable resource for vocalists, instrumental soloist, choirs, singing groups and keyboardists. The key is the program's ability to access the many of Yamaha-format accompaniment styles available on the Internet — virtual backup bands for your performances. The package includes a library of over 5000 tested styles and hundreds of ready-to-use accompaniments. http://www.kbd-infinity.com/accompaniment_machine.html I have downloaded the demo. Being able to send MIDI output to Z3ta+. Will try to capture the accompaniment tracks to Sonar MIDI track tonight. Following is the link for Video Demo. Hope you will like it. http://www.kbd-infinity.com/videos/AMacVideo800.mp4 Regards Snehankur Edit: Title modified.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2015/12/30 08:27:47
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Looks like an interesting tool......if Toontrack did this, it would be EZ Accompaniment . Post back Snehankur with a review of it.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2015/12/30 09:30:23
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I have the Yamaha QY100 Sensational concept. It is such a creativity booster, I was even about to recommend this for a next-generation version of Sonar but held back because they should first get the everyday bugs fixed.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2015/12/30 11:59:37
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I had also suggested the following : http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3292340/? as a feature: agree. request for : A. A CHORD Track - to enter chords from keyboard(QWERTY) or MIDIB. Midi Track - with option populate from Chord Track [options : a Lane to define INVERSION, a Lane to define Key range, Right Click Option - CONTINUE COMMON NOTES from previous ChordC. Midi Track - A Lane - insert pattern [.mid / .riff] - populate from Midi Track A and B may be single instance and Track C type can be multiple [ we can create Bass line and other accompaniments] Lastly on track type C - right Click option - HUMANIZE (with a popup slider for degree of Humanization)
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2015/12/30 12:05:50
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Mesh Looks like an interesting tool......if Toontrack did this, it would be EZ Accompaniment . Post back Snehankur with a review of it.
I will do certainly. Regards.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/01 21:25:43
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I had some time today morning. I had tested and recorded the arrangement output to SONAR MIDI Tracks. There are some improvements/ features required. But we can use this for easy arrangements with Yamaha styles redirected to SONAR.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/01 21:51:42
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From the video it reminds me a lot of ChordPulse http://www.chordpulse.comI bought it a while ago and have used it from time to time, it doesn't read Yamaha styles though and it's built in library is kind of small, but as a tool for playing with chord progressions it isn't that bad.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/01 23:15:07
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I also have seen that. This AMAC, what I have found, since taking advantage of Yamaha arranger styles, this is I. expanding with more and more styles available on net ii. having 8 tracks of accompaniment. iii. Lots of controls. I am still exploring.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/03 10:01:44
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Today I have worked with AMAC. To collaborate this to SONAR I followed the following process: I have used LoopBe1 as virtual MIDI cable from AMAC to SONAR. So output port of AMAC is LoopBe1. In SONAR Initially I have taken one instrument track as TTS-1, which has 16 channels. Another advantage of taking TTS-1 is it gets updated instantly with the volume and patch change as intended in the STYLE sent by AMAC. Thus it gives us a fair idea which instrument we need for which channel. Then based on required instrument I have introduced 2 DIM-PRO, 1 Addictive DRUM, 1 Z3ta2+, 1 GS-2. I have set each MIDI input channels accordingly. Then I muted TTS-1. I had armed all the Instrument tracks. Since AMAC is not a plug-in to SONAR it will not take the project TEMPO and not taking the start/stop [I am still not sure whether I can send start stop from SONAR to AMAC yet] Set the same tempo for SONAR and AMAC. Keep metronome on. Start record. Leaving 2 bars running, manually I started AMAC. The entire accompaniment got recorded in the instrument track, thus MIDI. I took the Drum Track in the PRV and Zoomed. Select all the MIDI clip and dragged a little snapping to the 1st measure. DONE. I am being able to change the instruments later or edit MIDI. If some of the feature is added to AMAC it will work fine with SONAR and might work as an arranger keyboard with all styles of PSR/Tyros !! Regards Snehankur
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/03 13:26:50
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Thanks Snehankur......this is very informative and looks very promising. So, I take it that once you used all the other instruments (VST's), the outcome of the recorded material was useful in making backup music and do you think it's worth purchasing....or are there anythings you feel it's lacking??
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/03 22:19:49
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/01/04 09:28:33
Before purchase I would recommend to download the Demo. Lacking parts I. real-time chord change. Still haven't tried it yet. ii. The workaround needed to understand the required/suggested patches [where I am using TTS-1] iii. I haven't find the option to change the style while its playing. iv. We have to define the entire accompaniment before, if we want record the entire song at one go. v. I haven't seen the articulations, the arranger section does with the super-articulated voices available on PSRs/Tyros. But overall my feeling is: I. I am using Yamaha styles ii. I haven't brought any of the arranger keyboards iii. I can determine the chords I will be using in my song [may be there will be some changes] iv. Initially I look for an overall arrangements to understand how the song will flow and to create the prelude/interlude music. v. Accompaniment editing is not that difficult, obviously not having interface like Jammer/BIAB vi. Not sure about the styles for BK/PA series. vii. Much affordable than any good PSR arranger keyboard. viii. What I am recording is MIDI+Audio. So I can very well manipulate them according to my wish. I need to spent some more time to get more workaround to have a template saved to minimize the setting up time. Regards Snehankur
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/04 07:13:59
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I am just curious. Is there something this program can do better then OMB ( http://www.1manband.nl/omb.htm) ? From what I see in the video and playing with demo version, the only advantage is $10 in price... No style editing, no configurable live performance, no lyrics, etc.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/04 20:50:11
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HI AZSLOW, I will install OMB. I will check up and tell. One point what I was interested that PSR Styles hugely available over net. I was planning for buying PSR S-Series or Tyros. Then I came across this and thought I can have the Arranger Keyboard in-the-box. During this time I had interacted with the Company and suggested certain things and they also incorporated. I used Jammer. There I had found capability of style editing. But I don't think they operate anymore and not being updated for long. BIAB is a bit pricy after introduction of Real Tracks. Actually I don't want to go much away from Sonar Workspace. Something like I put a MIDI Chord Track within SONAR and a plug in or a little work around where I will get the style/accompaniment in conjunction with Sonar and I can record within Sonar and later manipulate that. Love Sonar. Regards Snehankur.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/04 23:19:15
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Just seen the OMB Link.. Will test later tonight.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/05 13:08:23
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azslow3 I am just curious. Is there something this program can do better then OMB (http://www.1manband.nl/omb.htm) ? From what I see in the video and playing with demo version, the only advantage is $10 in price... No style editing, no configurable live performance, no lyrics, etc.
THANKS A LOT. HOPE I WILL SPEND THE ENTIRE NIGHT WITH THIS.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/05 13:09:47
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HI MESH.. MUST SEE THE LINK AZSLOW REFERRED.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/05 13:15:52
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Snehankur HI MESH.. MUST SEE THE LINK AZSLOW REFERRED.
Hi Snehankur, I'll check that link once I get home (at work, it's a blocked/blacklisted site). I'm guessing OMB is just missing the B in front?
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/05 17:26:01
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Mesh Hi Snehankur, I'll check that link once I get home (at work, it's a blocked/blacklisted site). I'm guessing OMB is just missing the B in front?
Now I understand why when I googled for it to post the link, Google has asked for a confirmation I am a human because of "strange activity from your IP" One note about OMB with TTS-1. At least for me, TTS-1 is not playing correctly repeating notes from OMB in direct streaming mode. That happens with TTS-1 only and only when streaming directly. Once recorded into Sonar, the same tracks (which sounded strange) play normal.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/05 21:05:13
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azslow3 One note about OMB with TTS-1. At least for me, TTS-1 is not playing correctly repeating notes from OMB in direct streaming mode. That happens with TTS-1 only and only when streaming directly. Once recorded into Sonar, the same tracks (which sounded strange) play normal.
I tried to used TTS-1 as to keep the thing simple, just as a 16-track midi which will take all Patch-Bank change, volume etc automatically. Yes I also found some glitches. But I ignored them for the time being to understand OMB. The style changes are in real time and chord changes of course. Demo giving me time for 60 secs only. Yet to purchase. Have you tried to have a MIDI track on Sonar to drive the accompaniment section of OMB? I have to go to work now. Will try after coming back. Regards Snehankur
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/06 03:56:41
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It is possible to guide OMB from Sonar using one or more input MIDI tracks. But I think it is simpler just construct final sequence inside OMB and open it as MIDI in Sonar. Try with demo files, you get 16 MIDI tracks plus Lyrics track and all relevant information as markers.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/07 11:59:10
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I was trying OMB. I faced a problem regarding Tempo. ) and - are for tempo down and up respectively. But the step is 5 i.e, 130 changing to 125 or 135. Couldn't find to change the step for tempo change to 1. ..still searching.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/07 14:41:09
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For 1 I also do not know... for 2, assign some CC to "Tempo" in preferences. I think they have made "2" so the available range is up to 250bpm (MIDI range is 1-127). EDIT. I think it is about time to create new thread with the title "OMB". That all has nothing to do with AMAC
post edited by azslow3 - 2016/01/07 14:54:59
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/07 15:41:59
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azslow3 For 1 I also do not know... for 2, assign some CC to "Tempo" in preferences. I think they have made "2" so the available range is up to 250bpm (MIDI range is 1-127). EDIT. I think it is about time to create new thread with the title "OMB". That all has nothing to do with AMAC
It's ok (by me).....good to see these discussions that include all/any software that'll improve our creativity.......in one place.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/07 19:51:38
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@azslow @mesh The title edited. Ok now?
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/08 05:43:48
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Snehankur @azslow @mesh The title edited. Ok now?
Fine for me
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/08 09:09:56
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Mesh Looks like an interesting tool......if Toontrack did this, it would be EZ Accompaniment .
Yes it would be called that. And your 2016 shreddie upgrade plan would have more holes in it than...(I figured I'd let you guys fill it in)
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/08 09:14:32
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It is interesting. May just take some time to see what it actually is.
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
2016/01/11 20:25:57
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azslow3 For 1 I also do not know... for 2, assign some CC to "Tempo" in preferences. I think they have made "2" so the available range is up to 250bpm (MIDI range is 1-127). EDIT. I think it is about time to create new thread with the title "OMB". That all has nothing to do with AMAC
Thanks AZSLOW. I have got one knob on my Nectar mapped to cc-20 to change the tempo. now obviously the change is 2. Next I am not being able to figure out so that OMB start/stop to be controlled by DAW start stop. Thanks Snehankur
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Re: AMAC - MIDI Arranger with Yamaha Styles
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That I also do not know how to achieve... it looks like OMB does not respond on MMC/time stamps. All other methods are going to produce "out of sync" result. I only see the way to assign for example "PC-100" to start/stop in OMB and insert that messages into some MIDI track in sonar at positions that should happened, for example at the beginning and at the end of the song. That way everything is more or less in sync, at least with reproducible delay.
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