hendrikxix
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MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
I am switching from X1d to X2a. The transition is more difficult than I would have expected. I don't seem to be able to combine several MIDI clips into a single larger MIDI clip. When I draw in some MIDI data into the Piano Roll it appears as being several separate clips. When I select the clips and try to join them together using Bounce to Clips nothing happens.
Is this a new X2a "feature" or is something broken?
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 11:56:33
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That's weird. It's worked when I've done it. Maybe try restarting Sonar then give it another shot. If it still doesn't work open a new project and make some MIDI clips and try it there. If it works in the new project something my be going wonky in your current project. It happens sometimes. Cheers.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 12:59:44
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try lassoing the clip.
I know exactly what your talking about. cake already knows about it and hopefully we will see this fixed.
but for now its easy enough to either hi-lite the track and bounce to clips or lasso the clips, (right click/drag)
then bounce them to clips.
I get in the habit of keeping clean tracks, meaning every few edits or so I double double click the tracks selection button(this sometimes can hi-lite everything) so then click the selection button once more and now everything in your track should be a lighter color (meaning all data in the track is selected)
now bounce to clips.
if you want to do just small sections use the lasso method as explained by me earlier, just as to make sure you lasso from both edges, one side of the clip to the other, if you don't you may miss a piece of a clip underneath.
now all your clips are on one layer.
good luck hendrikxix
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 13:08:52
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That's weird. It's worked when I've done it. Maybe try restarting Sonar then give it another shot. If it still doesn't work open a new project and make some MIDI clips and try it there. If it works in the new project something my be going wonky in your current project. It happens sometimes. Cheers.
its a strange occurrence where if you make an edit in prv on a midi clip, if you bounce the clip to a groove clip and then make another edit to the groove clip in the prv it starts another layer. or if you have one reg. clip and a groove clip butting up against each other and try to copy a small piece of midi over the adjoining sections, it creates another layer on the same midi track, but this layer cant be expanded. its a strange one :) peace buddy
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 13:13:55
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Hi, Chuck. Not quite following that but I guess that's likely because I usually don't get to fancy with my MIDI clip/Groove clip/PRV adventures. I will definitely keep an eye out for this though. Thanks.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 14:25:17
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Beepster
That's weird. It's worked when I've done it. Maybe try restarting Sonar then give it another shot. If it still doesn't work open a new project and make some MIDI clips and try it there. If it works in the new project something my be going wonky in your current project. It happens sometimes. Cheers.
its a strange occurrence where if you make an edit in prv on a midi clip, if you bounce the clip to a groove clip and then make another edit to the groove clip in the prv it starts another layer.
or if you have one reg. clip and a groove clip butting up against each other and try to copy a small piece of midi over the adjoining sections, it creates another layer on the same midi track, but this layer cant be expanded.
its a strange one :)
peace buddy
I think the contents of groove clips are supposed to be confined to their boundaries in order to support looping, so copying notes outside those boundaries would generate a new clip since the new notes can't be looped (because they're outside the boudaries). However, I can't recall if "regular" clips are supposed to work that way as well...
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 16:34:46
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yes.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/07/09 21:02:15
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 17:15:32
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How are you selecting the clips and bouncing them? It seems to be working as expected here.
I'm not sure what issue Charlie Roy is referring to that Cakewalk are aware of and are going to fix.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 20:58:53
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chuckebaby
Beepster
That's weird. It's worked when I've done it. Maybe try restarting Sonar then give it another shot. If it still doesn't work open a new project and make some MIDI clips and try it there. If it works in the new project something my be going wonky in your current project. It happens sometimes. Cheers.
its a strange occurrence where if you make an edit in prv on a midi clip, if you bounce the clip to a groove clip and then make another edit to the groove clip in the prv it starts another layer.
or if you have one reg. clip and a groove clip butting up against each other and try to copy a small piece of midi over the adjoining sections, it creates another layer on the same midi track, but this layer cant be expanded.
its a strange one :)
peace buddy
I think the contents of groove clips are supposed to be confined to their boundaries in order to support looping, so copying notes outside those boundaries would generate a new clip since the new notes can't be looped (because they're outside the boudaries). However, I can't recall if "regular" clips are supposed to work that way as well...
you are correct steve. and the only way to make the groove clip and the new clip as one new clip together is to bounce both to clips. and sometimes just lassoing the clip, there lays a piece hiding underneath and sonar doesn't catch both. so when you grab that clip to move it, it leaves behind pieces of the newly edited clip.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 21:08:21
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jb101
I'm not sure what issue Charlie Roy is referring to that Cakewalk are aware of and are going to fix.
that's not what I said. "cake already knows about it and hopefully we will see this fixed."
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/09 22:06:57
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chuckebaby
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Beepster
That's weird. It's worked when I've done it. Maybe try restarting Sonar then give it another shot. If it still doesn't work open a new project and make some MIDI clips and try it there. If it works in the new project something my be going wonky in your current project. It happens sometimes. Cheers.
its a strange occurrence where if you make an edit in prv on a midi clip, if you bounce the clip to a groove clip and then make another edit to the groove clip in the prv it starts another layer.
or if you have one reg. clip and a groove clip butting up against each other and try to copy a small piece of midi over the adjoining sections, it creates another layer on the same midi track, but this layer cant be expanded.
its a strange one :)
peace buddy
I think the contents of groove clips are supposed to be confined to their boundaries in order to support looping, so copying notes outside those boundaries would generate a new clip since the new notes can't be looped (because they're outside the boudaries). However, I can't recall if "regular" clips are supposed to work that way as well...
you are correct steve.
and the only way to make the groove clip and the new clip as one new clip together is to bounce both to clips.
and sometimes just lassoing the clip, there lays a piece hiding underneath and sonar doesn't catch both.
so when you grab that clip to move it, it leaves behind pieces of the newly edited clip.
Yup... That's why the right click lasso-select you mentioned previously works well for this by dragging completely around all clips rather than left+click dragging across them and missing one that's hidden.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 03:28:24
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jb101 I'm not sure what issue Charlie Roy is referring to that Cakewalk are aware of and are going to fix.
that's not what I said. "cake already knows about it and hopefully we will see this fixed."
I'm sorry for misrepresenting the minute detail of your post, charlie roy, it was unintentional. Thank you for clarifying - now is it possible to clarify what the issue is to which you refer, please?
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 08:17:41
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chuckebaby
jb101 I'm not sure what issue Charlie Roy is referring to that Cakewalk are aware of and are going to fix.
that's not what I said. "cake already knows about it and hopefully we will see this fixed."
I'm sorry for misrepresenting the minute detail of your post, charlie roy, it was unintentional.
Thank you for clarifying - now is it possible to clarify what the issue is to which you refer, please?
I'm interested, too.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 08:23:21
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jb101
now is it possible to clarify what the issue is to which you refer, please?
steve said: I think the contents of groove clips are supposed to be confined to their boundaries in order to support looping, so copying notes outside those boundaries would generate a new clip since the new notes can't be looped (because they're outside the boudaries). However, I can't recall if "regular" clips are supposed to work that way as well... chuckebaby said: you are correct steve. and the only way to make the groove clip and the new clip as one new clip together is to bounce both to clips. and sometimes just lassoing the clip, there lays a piece hiding underneath and sonar doesn't catch both. so when you grab that clip to move it, it leaves behind pieces of the newly edited clip. then Steve said: Yup... That's why the right click lasso-select you mentioned previously works well for this by dragging completely around all clips rather than left+click dragging across them and missing one that's hidden.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/07/10 08:39:43
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 08:36:07
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I see. Thanks Chuck.
I wonder, as jb101 asked, how the OP is selecting clips and bouncing them, because he's saying it worked fine in X1d.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 08:56:06
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Jlien X
I see. Thanks Chuck.
I wonder, as jb101 asked, how the OP is selecting clips and bouncing them, because he's saying it worked fine in X1d.
The op said this; "When I draw in some MIDI data into the Piano Roll it appears as being several separate clips." let me ask you jlien, when have you known drawing in midi notes to appear as several separate clips? it should be one clip am I correct ? are there midi layers ? the problem im talking about started in x2. so im still not sure where your going with this ? selection ? if it was a selection problem ? the first thing I wrote in this thread was "try right click lassoing". that's one of the ways you select in x2. this is getting way over analyzed, including by myself.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/07/10 09:03:58
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 09:17:53
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chuckebaby
The op said this;
"When I draw in some MIDI data into the Piano Roll it appears as being several separate clips."
let me ask you jlien, when have you known drawing in midi notes to appear as several separate clips?
it should be one clip am I correct ?
I seem to have missed that line. You're right, that's strange. I hope the OP will reply and explain the details. I also use lassoing when merging clips. I love the the new right-click lassoing introduced in X2. :)
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 10:38:24
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Thanks to everyone for your responses! I seem to have somehow missed subscribing to the thread or I would have gotten back here earlier.
It turns out that the right-click lasso does work, but the left click selection with the smart tool doesn't work. I actually didn't know about the right-click to lasso selection method so this is a new interaction for me. I am definitely appreciating the improvement from X1 to X2 in MIDI editing, it seems more intuitive and actually a little more like the old Sonar. I added in global tool switching key bindings for:
Shift + s = Select Tool
Shift + d = Draw Tool
Shift + a = SmArt Tool
Makes it easier so I don't have to reach up the the Function Buttons (F5, etc)
Now, if I could just keep X2a from crashing, I will be all good!
Thanks to you All!
Hendrik XIX
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 11:08:08
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Three things: 1. If you didn't know right-click lasso-selecting it means you haven't watched this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5z9BKWD-ISONAR X2 - Transitioning From SONAR X1 (and earlier) 2. Even if you subscribe to your own thread, sometimes you don't receive the email notification, so I recommend frequently checking the forum (and get addicted). 3. As for the crashes, start a new thread describing details.
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Re: MIDI Bounce to Clips doesn't seem to be working in X2a, but it did work in X1d
2013/07/10 12:07:35
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Hi Jlien X:
That video is 26 minutes long! And the 1st 3 minutes already showed me stuff that I had no idea about. Normally I hate video for learning because you can't skim the material to get to the important stuff, but I think that this video will be pretty useful.
Thanks for the tip!
Hendrik
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