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MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
There are 7 select boxes in the Midi Effect 'Velocity', 6 are circular and the last is square. The two marked 'Change' and 'Gradually' or 'Change Gradually' cannot be selected. I have tried selecting with all the others in case they were a funtion of the others, but nothing I seem to do allows me to choose them. Am I missing something obvious, that's required with these?
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 01:40:30
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According to the plug-in help, the two "Change Gradually" sliders are available only while using the offline version of the plug-in. To run offline, right-click a clip and select the plug-in using the Process Effects > MIDI Effects popup menu option.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 01:58:47
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Damn, now I'm getting confused with our name similarities. I just saw this was updated, but the last poster was me (having mis-read). Unfortunately I am unable to choose a new name, but would happily do see if I could. Cool thanks, where did you access the help, I couldn't see it. I checked the on-line documentation,and other searches, I couldn't see a help option on the FX, nothing with F12'ing. Ok, apply as an offline Effect require you to have selected the settings you can't select before you apply offline, which I can't select. This is kind of academic, though as I want for real time. I've modified a Nanopad to get a better responce, but the lowest velocities around 30. I want to reduce this with the Effect by -20 'Change (the one after 'set to')', then make up for the reduced dynamics with the 'Scale' option. SO as you can't select both at the same time, I though one of the 'Change Gradually' would get it. A work around I guess is to run 2 Velocity Effects in series. [Edit: Just realised I could have done the first plug ins job from the Track View 'Vel+' option reducing by 20-30. I thought this was now a percentage option as it shows in the Inspector view]
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 02:14:42
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With the plug-in in focus F1 launches the help but for me, the help screen is behind X3 so it needs to be manually brought to the top. Maybe something like MIDICurve or MIDI Shape Shifter may work instead of Velocity.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 02:32:11
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Damn, facepalming, being my keyboard has 'Help' written on the F1 key, I was sure it used to F12. I had even opened 8.5 to try F12 which of course got me now where.
Thanks for the suggestions. I've downloaded the first one, but also PitchBendCurve (as this may suit my Yamaha windcontroller when I get my hand back on it), and also Midi Chords, which is something I added to a request list about 4 or 5 years ago here. So triple thanks.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 08:12:26
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F1 is a Windows standard for help.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 08:47:40
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I am currently looking at either locating or creating a CAL script that would allow me to set the velocity of all note events on a given midi track to a value I would input.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 15:50:25
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I am currently looking at either locating or creating a CAL script that would allow me to set the velocity of all note events on a given midi track to a value I would input.
Bob Bone
Pardon me Bob, but can't you already achieve exactly this with the Event Filter?
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/08 16:07:05
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A fine question, sir.
The issue isn't identifying the notes in question. For notes that were created within Step Sequencer, clicking on them in Event List does not open them for edit, but rather brings up the Step Sequencer.
For MY particular purposes, I just wanted to set all velocity values for an entire MIDI track to be some constant value, that was different from what had been set when the note events were first created, and I also did not want to convert the SS clips to regular clips.
So, I whipped up a simple (and stupid) CAL script to do just that, and it works just fine. If anyone want the script, just send me a PM with an email address, and I will send it to you.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 02:25:51
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A fine question, sir.
For MY particular purposes, I just wanted to set all velocity values for an entire MIDI track to be some constant value, that was different from what had been set when the note events were first created, and I also did not want to convert the SS clips to regular clips.
So, I whipped up a simple (and stupid) CAL script to do just that, and it works just fine. If anyone want the script, just send me a PM with an email address, and I will send it to you.
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Wouldn't Midi Plug ins> Cakewalk FX> Velocity> 'Set to', achieve this goal?
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 02:27:54
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Ok I'm still stuck, I got the 3 midi plug ins, but they are VSTi files. There purpose is to process midi, so need them to show on a Midi Track FX bin. This is as far as I have got, what do I do next?  EDIT: just noticed the picture highlights 3 plug ins, including Minimoog, but should be 3 plugins including MidiChords
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 09:04:58
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They are MIDI VSTs not MFX plug-ins. Insert them as a synth and route the MIDI controller like you would any synth. For example, to create a custom velocity curve, insert midiCurve as a synth, use the nanopad as the input. Make sure to enable MIDI output on midiCurve. Now midiCurve is available to adjust the velocity curve of incoming MIDI for another synth. Insert another synth, use midiCurve as the input.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 09:23:21
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Just a few more words about using midiCurve. Since midiCurve needs both the audio and MIDI tracks even though the audio track is not used, this may be a case for an instrument track. Also make sure both midiCurve and the synth using have echo enabled when auditioning and recording.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 09:47:03
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robert_e_bone
A fine question, sir.
For MY particular purposes, I just wanted to set all velocity values for an entire MIDI track to be some constant value, that was different from what had been set when the note events were first created, and I also did not want to convert the SS clips to regular clips.
So, I whipped up a simple (and stupid) CAL script to do just that, and it works just fine. If anyone want the script, just send me a PM with an email address, and I will send it to you.
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Wouldn't Midi Plug ins> Cakewalk FX> Velocity> 'Set to', achieve this goal?
Well - where were YOU when I was not even looking at that as a potential solution? :) I hadn't even considered that - DOH!!!! It actually only took me about a minute to create the CAL script I ended up using, so other than building something I didn't need, at least it wasn't a giant bunch of effort. I have in all my time using Sonar and its predecessors, I have never used a single midi plugin - I always just do things to audio. I guess I should at least take a look at them and see if any might be usable in future situations. Bob Bone
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 09:49:52
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Thanks Scook, I had tried inserting as a synth, but wasn't really believing that was what I was meant to do. I followed your instructions, but suspect it's this one I'm not getting right, and why the following isn't working.  
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 09:51:53
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Input echo needs to be enabled on the MIDI tracks for midiCurve and the synth it is driving.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 09:57:34
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Thanks for the large track images BTW, it made it easy to see the problem.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 10:09:04
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Got it, cheers. I hadn't seen you post #13 about the midi echo when I had posted my reply.
I never understand the reluctance of posters to post pics, when they show everything so clearly. The amount of times I have read posts regarding driver settings and everyone asking for more details. It's so easy to use the wrong term, especially if they are unfamiliar, pic just shows it.
Thanks again.
The graph on Midi curve is going to really help me improve the mod, I'm going to see if I can resolve at source, and the graphs helps see that much more easily.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 10:20:56
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I have in all my time using Sonar and its predecessors, I have never used a single midi plugin - I always just do things to audio. I guess I should at least take a look at them and see if any might be usable in future situations.
I think these plug in were in Version 6, probably older, but I feel the are neglected. I've been using Cakewalk since '93, but my use has been sporadic. I never used 8.5 enough and now I'm getting to grips with X3, which is a delight, I'm so chuffed. I put in request years ago for more Midi FX. A good chord generator would work so well with things like Strum. I used to bodge it by using the MidiFX 'delay', with zero delay, and the delays set to 3rds, then route the results through the MidiFX 'Transpose' and constrained to a key signature, for modal style cords in both major and minor keys. I was excited about the Nanopad, because I read you could assign 8 notes to a pad, but it turns out it's 4 notes. Still cool though as I can get the flavour with each pad and flesh out performance in midi with some extra notes later. I am suspecting the title of this thread relates to the fact MidiFX 'velocity' has been neglected, and Change Gradually worked offline on older versions of Sonar, but no longer now applies.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 10:34:02
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I believe Velocity works like it always has. It is still possible to use it offline and Change Gradually is enabled when the offline dialog is displayed.
I rarely use MFX plug-ins but did buy the NTONYX Style Enhancer Micro when it was ported to 64bit. Velocity and the MIDI Event Filter have solved a few issues encountered on the forum. Not many 3rd party MFX out there, even fewer that support 64bit. TenCrazy was the last I saw that ported 32bit MFX to 64bit.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 10:58:09
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I did a bad thing - I didn't mean to, but without thinking had hijacked this thread. I was meaning to circle back to see if the CAL script I was working up could be modified to give the OP another way to manipulate velocities, but never got back to it prior to scook getting him squared away. I thought that while the particulars were different, that the use of a CAL script was also a potential solution for the OP.
My apologies to all,
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 11:02:51
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I didn't realise 64bit was an issue for midi data, I guess Midi is not the concern, just the plug-in itself.
Seems you are right, found an alternate way to apply midi fx and change gradually does work.
Select clip> Process> Apply Effect> Midi Effect = Doesn't work, as it wants to apply an effect in the bin, which you can't set up.
Select clip> Left Click> Process Effect> Midi Effect> Cakewalk FX> Velocity> select Change or Gradually = Does work
The chord generator from the site that had the MidiCurve is great, so simple and intuitive.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 11:07:02
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I thought that while the particulars were different, that the use of a CAL script was also a potential solution for the OP.
The problem with CAL in this case, just like the "Change Gradually" in the Velocity plug-in, is it cannot function in real-time. There are several CAL scripts included with SONAR which predate Velocity and perform some function included in it.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 11:10:08
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I didn't realise 64bit was an issue for midi data, I guess Midi is not the concern, just the plug-in itself.
Yes, it is not the data, it is the dll, just like the other DX plug-ins. They must be ported to 64bit to work in a 64bit host.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 11:29:29
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I thought that while the particulars were different, that the use of a CAL script was also a potential solution for the OP.
The problem with CAL in this case, just like the "Change Gradually" in the Velocity plug-in, is it cannot function in real-time. There are several CAL scripts included with SONAR which predate Velocity and perform some function included in it.
I have no idea about cal, despite it being in pre Sonar cakewalk and being a bit clever back then. But I don't see how it can't be applied real-time for velocity, where the issue is the input dynamic range is low and needs expanding to output a new range. It's a simple computation of just interpolation of the input to output. 
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 11:36:56
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CAL does not process data in real-time.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 11:45:06
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Ahh I see. I've been wondering why the Cakewalk Midi 'Change' 'Gradually' had to be offline, so I had that on my mind.
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Re: MIDI Effects 'Velocity' - Cannot select Change or Gradually
2014/04/09 12:11:54
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Yes - I ran the CAL script I wrote with transport stopped - processed in about a blink of an eye - which may vary I suppose, depending on what is being processed - dunno.
I was pleased that it was lightning fast for my needs though.
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