smallstonefan
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MIDI Expression Pedal?
Hi all, I would like to set up a pedal to run the Wah effects in Amplitube, control MIDI parameters in Timeless 2, etc. Is there a preferred way to go about this? I can't figure out how to use a standard expression pedal with my audio interface, so perhaps there is a midi pedal out there?
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Glyn Barnes
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 04:23:12
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Assuming you using it as a plug in Sonar. I am not in the same country as my DAW at the moment so I can't try it but I think you will have to insert Amplitube "as a synth" in order to get it to respond to MIDI. To do this you have to configure It as a synth in the Plug In Manager. Configure as synth option in its properties. Please let me know how you get on as I would be good to have Amplitube's wha wah effects set up like this.
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smallstonefan
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 07:06:10
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Hi Glyn, I am running Amplitube as a synth, but I don't have a Wah pedal I can operate over MIDI. I have various expression pedals, but I think I'd need an audio interface that could turn an expression pedal into CC messages. I'm wondering if there is something I can buy for this...?
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 07:14:03
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Do your expression pedals connect through a controller keyboard? Mine connects through my APro 800 and then transmits MIDI through the keyboards USB midi link.
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smallstonefan
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 08:38:41
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Great question. I have a Roland JD800 - I'll see if I can hook up an expression pedal and pass through the MIDI. If not, maybe a Behringer FB foot controller would do the trick...
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leapinlizard
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 10:38:32
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I was having a similar issue recently, as I have two Digitech units (a Legend II and an RP-2000), neither of which transmits MIDI expression data. I just traded my RP-2000 for a Boss GT-3, as it seems that the Boss units transmit expression data. I haven't hooked it up to try it yet, but I am reasonably certain that it will work. Your other option would be to get a dedicated MIDI foot controller, like the Behringer FB that you mentioned, or something similar. You should also be able to use your existing expression pedals via your keyboard, as the other poster said, but how to then get that data into Amplitube is a bit of a mystery to me. I will see if I can't find time to hook up the Boss unit and test it out, and report back.
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smallstonefan
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 11:06:31
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sweet, thanks! :) I have been spending a lot of time with Amplitube lately, and combined with some great delay plugs I'm able to duplicate a lot of my pedal board. Not all, but a lot. I love to create crazy patterns and textures with effects and delay, and being able to come back a day later or a week later and have PERFECT effect settings recall is something I only dreamed of in the analog world; I could NEVER exactly re-capture a set of settings! I still haven't duplicated my shimmer effect (but I have some ideas), and I need to be able to control some things through expression pedals (hence this topic), but MAN ON MAN is all of this re-kindling my creative fire. If anyone is interested, my primary delays so far: - IK Echoplex. Not the little pedal in Amplitube, but the custom shop version. Closest I've found so far to duplicate the sound of my real EP3.
- Echos. Just starting to dig in but really like the organic sounds of this plug.
- Timeless 2. Just started using a few days ago - this guy can get me into the crazy texture world I love to play in. I haven't tried chaining to this from one of the above - that will be fun. This is what is spurring my expression pedal search - I want to run some of the parameters of this plug with the expression pedal.
- PSP 85. WOW. Only played with the presets but again, looks to be a hugely creative tool.
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 11:18:46
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I forgot to ask: when you say "expression pedal", are you talking about a MIDI expression pedal, like the Roland EV-5, which you would typically plug into a keyboard to use to control various CC messages, or are you talking about a guitar pedal, like a Crybaby wah?
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smallstonefan
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 11:22:45
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I want to use a pedal to send MIDI messages to the PC, so probably an expression pedal through an interface. While I will use it to control a Wah in Amplitube at times, I do not want to hook up a Wah. Sorry if I wasn't clear...
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 11:46:33
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Excellent post James!! You've got my interest in this as well. I do have an old Digitech RP-1 which does have MIDI IN, OUT, and THRU which I'd (now) like to set up as a MIDI foot controller for Amplitube as well. I just don't know how to set it up and will probably need to research a little. With Google as my friend, I found this article which you might also find useful (or not): http://gtrkev.tripod.com/midi_footcontroller2.htm
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 12:04:14
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That's a good intro Mesh! I used to run a pretty complicated midi switching system (3 GCX units run by Axess Electronics switching gear) and it was really cool, but really complex. I started to get pretty good at the programming. :) I may be making this too complicated for myself. Turns out my JD800, which is already hooked up via MIDI, has a port for an expression pedal. I'll plug one in and see if Sonar/Amplitube/Timeless sees it. If that doesn't work, I suspect the Behringer is the cheapest option. Then again, a used GT3 looks like it would work. I think I recall my PC have a Bluetooth driver. Theoretically, the IK Blueboard could be used via Bluetooth with the PC or iPad, and it supports an expression pedal... hmmmmm .......
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 13:09:24
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Yeah, I figured you might be waaaay ahead of that article......it appealed to me as I'm in the intro stage and thought what a great way to make use of some of my older gear. If it's ok with you, I like to pick your brain and get some tips in setting mine up (once I get it out of storage)........
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smallstonefan
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/02 13:40:34
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You bet! I'm happy to help any way I can. :)
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Re: MIDI Expression Pedal?
2014/07/03 18:51:20
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I'd be careful with an expression pedal that connects into a KB controller via a 1/4" jack. Using a brand X pedal on a brand Y controller could lead to something getting fried. A simple sustain pedal is probably safe in this regard, but a KB controller is sending some voltage to the expression pedal and if the voltage and resistance aren't compatible, you might have a problem. Best bet would be to see if you can buy an expression pedal that's made by the same manufacturer as the KB.
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