The_Kiss
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MIDI Reverse Effect??
I know how to reverse audio and audio samples but is it possible to reverse a MIDI recording? Like if I were to record a couple piano chords, is there an effect to actually sound as if I'm playing these in reverse?
For example, I don't want the chords to be played backwards. I just want that sound as if they are being played backwards but I'm really playing them correctly in real time. Any ideas?
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CJaysMusic
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 19:21:22
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Just render them to audio and then reverse them. I dont think theres a midi effect for reverse. Not in sonar atleast
Cj
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Dave Modisette
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 19:32:47
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I agree with CJ. No way to do this with midi. What you are trying to do is to reverse the audio that the midi device or softsynth is outputting. Render it and then use PROCESS>Audio>Reverse to reverse the notes. You might want to use Audio Snap to split the track up at each transient to save time.
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 19:50:25
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Is it the sound that you want to reverse or the MIDI score? As a scoring tool that might be useful.
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Phrauge
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 19:52:16
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If you want to reverse the order of events in a MIDI clip, select the clip and go to Process>Retrograde. HTH.
post edited by Phrauge - 2008/08/25 19:53:13
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ohhey
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 19:59:47
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ORIGINAL: Phrauge
If you want to reverse the order of events in a MIDI clip, select the clip and go to Process>Retrograde.
HTH.
Yes, and anything beyond that would have to be a feature of the software synth NOT the Midi. For example a sample player or drum machine might have a way to do that with some type of midi command but it would only work on that sound module. There is nothing in the MIDI spec that all units would respond to.
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The_Kiss
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 20:16:55
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Awesome. Thanks guys. I'm gonna try some of this out and share what happens.
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/25 21:39:11
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For added spice:
Create audio clip of original phrase. Reverse the audio clip. Add Sonitus Delay to the clip, tempo synced and make sure to utilize somewhat drastic hi/lo pass filters on the delay tails. Then bounce to clip. Then reverse the clip again. (You may need to experiment a few times with Wet/Dry mix, etc.) Your parts will build up to from heavily EQ'd parts to the full sound -- all tempo synced.
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/26 08:51:20
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Like if I were to record a couple piano chords, is there an effect to actually sound as if I'm playing these in reverse? For example, I don't want the chords to be played backwards. I just want that sound as if they are being played backwards but I'm really playing them correctly in real time. You can do that in any of the newer Cakewalk synths. Find a preset that you like in Dimension LE, RXP, DropZone, etc. that's based on an .sfz file. Open up that .sfz in any text editor, and add a line like this (just above the samples stacked in <region>s). <group> reverse_locc1=63 reverse_hicc1=127 That will playback all of the samples backwards when your Mod Wheel position is above halfway. Alternatively, you can add a line that will trigger the reverse on any note, at any velocity beyond a note off message: <group> reverse_locc131=1 reverse_hicc131=127 Careful what you wish for here. Since we're talking about reversed piano samples, those are going to have a sharp attack, followed by a long decay. Played backwards, your trigger notes will initiate a long buildup in amplitude for each note. In some cases, it sounds much better to offset the notes themselves so that the 'reversed attack' lands on your intended targeted positions in the timeline. With shorter samples in reverse, you may be able to get away without the offsets.
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The_Kiss
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/30 03:02:07
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b rock thank you so much! I had no idea Sonar 7 PE had such personalized features to where you could type in codes like that. I'm gonna try this out and then report back my findings. Thanks again bro.
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/30 09:06:39
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ORIGINAL: The_Kiss
b rock thank you so much! I had no idea Sonar 7 PE had such personalized features to where you could type in codes like that. That actually has nothing to do with SONAR. It's a feature of SFZ opcodes and can be used with any application that is capable of using softsythns that can utilize SFZ files.
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/30 14:11:11
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ORIGINAL: b rock
Like if I were to record a couple piano chords, is there an effect to actually sound as if I'm playing these in reverse? For example, I don't want the chords to be played backwards. I just want that sound as if they are being played backwards but I'm really playing them correctly in real time. You can do that in any of the newer Cakewalk synths. Find a preset that you like in Dimension LE, RXP, DropZone, etc. that's based on an .sfz file.
Open up that .sfz in any text editor, and add a line like this (just above the samples stacked in <region>s).
<group> reverse_locc1=63 reverse_hicc1=127
That will playback all of the samples backwards when your Mod Wheel position is above halfway.
Alternatively, you can add a line that will trigger the reverse on any note, at any velocity beyond a note off message:
<group> reverse_locc131=1 reverse_hicc131=127
Careful what you wish for here. Since we're talking about reversed piano samples, those are going to have a sharp attack, followed by a long decay. Played backwards, your trigger notes will initiate a long buildup in amplitude for each note. In some cases, it sounds much better to offset the notes themselves so that the 'reversed attack' lands on your intended targeted positions in the timeline.
With shorter samples in reverse, you may be able to get away without the offsets.
What a cool trick, b rock! Now if only Sonar provided an sfz editor worthy of sfz's potential. ORIGINAL: papa2004
That actually has nothing to do with SONAR. It's a feature of SFZ opcodes and can be used with any application that is capable of using softsythns that can utilize SFZ files.
That's true. But it does have tons to do with Cakewalk, which basically owns and controls the usability and the fate of sfz.
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/31 02:12:09
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If you want to keep the order of the midi events and just want the effect of playing backwards make areverse envelope on your synths patch. You know that adsr thing. The attack portio would be at the end.
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starts at 0 gradually rises sharp cuttoff
the sharp cuttoff will leave a percussive "key struck" sound
Tim
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RE: MIDI Reverse Effect??
2008/08/31 02:28:11
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That's right, to simulate a reverse sound on a synthesizer that has an ADSR amplifier envelope generator, set a medium long attack, 0 decay and 0 sustain, and medium to short release. You may have to lengthen the midi notes to hear the effect, and you may want to match the same settings on the filter envelope as well to make the effect more pronounced. (and fiddle with the settings till it's just right)
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