MIDI Snap and Nudge behaviors

I've been working with a little bit o' MIDI on my new X1 setup here and noticed a couple of interesting quirks that I thought I might bring up to see if anyone else was seeing what I'm seeing.

Under certain zoom conditions, the MIDI notes don't Snap to Grid when Snap to Grid is enabled.  If I zoom in enough using the horizontal zoom, only a little zoom (the difference occurs when the zoom is around 33% horizontal in the in-line PRV and closer to 50% in the expanded Piano Roll, but I don't see a real percentage on the track view zoom bar) ...at that little extra zoom, MIDI notes begin to snap to the specified snap (measure or 16th notes, snap to or snap by, no problem).  When using the magnifier, Snap to Grid seems to work too, but I fully haven't explored all the conditions.  I just know that Snap to Grid isn't snapping while I'm zoomed out at my "normal" viewing zoom level.  It may be due to my high screen resolution since I'm using a dual monitor setup with an HDTV (1920x1080) and a large monitor (1920x1200) that I'm experiencing this and not a lot of other people.  Not sure.  I was struggling with that for awhile trying to figure out why it wasn't snapping!  I was using Aim Assist to try to hit the lines.

Secondly, and only a miniature side comment, Nudge will only "snap by" and not "snap to."  Is that how Nudge works?  This obviously may be intentional, according to the way that the Nudge key bindings are set up.  I hadn't ever really used Nudge until I wasn't able to snap with the smart tool using the mouse.  I was simply expecting that Nudge would "snap to" if I had my settings for Nudge set to "Follow Snap Settings."

Thanks,

Yes, sir, I do know about the Magnet Strength.  I know for a fact it is the zoom.  

{edit: Eh, well, I guess the issue could be a combination of Magnet Strength and Horizontal Zoom Control... ?  And thanks to some of you, I now know the difference between Magnet Strength: Off and Snap to Grid: Off... !  Thanks} 

Hmm.. I just tried to zoom and snap and had no problems at all. Zoomed all the way in then gradually zoomed out and MIDI notes snapped correctly the whole time. Sorry no help.

What's your screen resolution?

1920 x 1080

I watched the videos and when I saw what you were talking about but couldn't really duplicate it here. With snap set to high it might have been a little erratic but at least one side of the note would snap.

Does it do the same thing with mag turned off?

I don't have my nudge set to follow snap but did for this test and it seemed to change nothing.

Thank you for verifying that it isn't just me, Lorneyb2.  I feel validated now.  I just tried what you said, setting Magnet Strength to Off, and it behaves as if it were set to High. 

...I created another project and duplicated the problem with the same results.  It may very well be the same with all my projects and only occurring on certain DAWs.  I'm two for two now on my attempts.

Video #3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60SnFrwVSw4

The Medium and Low magnet settings seem to be doing what they should, and as far as bugs go at least I know what's happening, and it isn't a fatal, project ending thing.

You turn magnetic strength 'off' and it then acts like a 'super magnet' to the snap settings but it is really 'off' in the mind of a wonderful programmer's mind. I cannot imagine what would happen if there were a simple 'on' setting. Then there would be no snap?

It's the magnetic strength that gets turned off with that setting, not Snap itself -- note how it's organized in the dialog box. No magnetic strength ("off") means Snap acts as it did before magnetic strength was introduced, full on or full off.

-Susan

Ah, as I remember from other threads, Susan does indeed understand it but I do not.

Just curious, if there were an 'on' setting what would the behavior be?

HumbleNoise


Ah, as I remember from other threads, Susan does indeed understand it but I do not.

Just curious, if there were an 'on' setting what would the behavior be?

Low, Medium, or High -- those are the "On" settings, and it's "On" unless you specifically check it "Off". With it "Off", it doesn't influence Snap at all. Or do you mean what's the difference b/w Low, Medium, and High?

-Susan

Oh... Okay.  I understand that part.  If you turn the Magnet Strength setting to Off, but Snap to Grid is still enabled... then you get just a snappier than magnet strength snap, snap-snap-snap, everywhere until you disable Snap to Grid.  Then when Snap to Grid is disabled, all the snap settings are "full off" like Susan was saying. 

I totally understand that one now.  When I set the Magnet Strength to Off that way, with Snap to Grid enabled, it behaves precisely like that because that's the way it's supposed to behave.

But based on what I described though, and what I was saying about the High strength of the magnet... the Magnet Strength is still acting funky.

mindbuzz


Video #1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIJ5nt0xZw

Video #2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78dmfui9C0s


There ya go.  I made a couple of videos.  The first one is shorter and in SD.  The second one is longer.  I will open and close Sonar X1, make a totally new project, create another MIDI track and try duplicating this just to verify...

I was trying to create a loop clip today. I had snap to grid turned on, magnetic strength set to off, and I just wanted to drag the edges of the clip and have them snap inside 1 measure. At first it seemed to work until I noticed when I brought it up in Loop Construction View that my beats per measure were off. I zoomed in and sure enough, even though I had Snap To set to 'to' not 'by' and set to 'Measure', it didn't quite snap to the measure and my proof was what Loop Construction View told me, otherwise I never would have picked up on it. I wonder if some people think it's working but aren't actually zooming in far enough to see that it's not. It's not a big deal until you repeat a loop clip 30 ~ 40 times and the timing starts to drift away from your drum track.

I had to turn off snap to grid, drag the clip edge over to the measure, turn snap to grid back on, and bang, it snapped right to it when I tried to move it after going through all that. Snap to grid is definitely broken and not to be trusted. Hopefully the X1b patch will fully address it.