MIDI delay in X1 but not in 8.5.3

I just installed X1 and it seems to have the same settings as I have in 8.5, but I get a large annoying delay when playing my MIDI keyboard in X1. The delay does not exist when playing in 8.5. Any idea what setting to check? I've looked at all the settings I can find that might have something to do with it, but I must be missing the one that actually affects that. :)

Thanks!
John (the guy who has been around since 6.5 yet never seems to learn how to use his stuff)

HumbleNoise


Hye John, Make sure you're audio setting haven't changed or reverted to a default setting in X1.

And you can also disable all FX (of you're running ant) with the 'fx' button in the mixing module (on the control bar) to see if it is an FX that's causing the delay.

I have no effects running at the moment and I can't find any audio setting differences between X1 and 8.5. I must be overlooking something. This amount of delay makes MIDI unusable. It sounds like around 250 ms or so. Very annoying.

I trust you know your way around SONAR's latency settings, but just so we know what we're starting with:


What audio interface and driver mode, and what buffer settings?
What does X1 report for output latency?
Did you let X1 copy settings from 8.5.3 at installation?
If not, and you're using WDM, did you let X21 re-profile the card?



Are you sure this is a MIDI/soft synth issue, and not garden-variety audio latency?
Do you have low latency with input-monitored audio?
What synth is generating the sound?
Are you trying to play the Wavetable synth on your soundcard? They have notoriously high latency even when your audio latency is not bad.

Or is it good enough to know that I have the ASIO panel set at 10ms?

Usually, but not always. A 10ms buffer means your output latency should be on the order of 11-12ms with time for D/A conversion and "hiddne" latency in the interface drivers and the bus by which it's connected. this is tolerabaly low latency for playing soft synths. You might just be able to feel it, but it wouldn't be bothersome, unless monitoring live input which would be subject to the full round-trip latency of 22-24ms, which is well into the bothersome range but still not unplayable.


That said, it's possible that X1 is being subject to excessive hidden latency such that your Output latency is much higher than the buffer setting would lead you to expect.

Also, since Ivory is a sample-streaming synth, you might be experiencing synth response delays related to hard drive access. I don't know about Omnishpere in that respect, but you should check the disk I/O buffer sizes for playback and recording under Preferences > Audio > Sync and Caching. Compare it to the setting in 8.5, and try 256kB if it's under that.

 Your correct about the delay. its not like i cant work with
 it.. though im at 2.9 msec  128 samples 5in 5out round ..
 trip 10.. jon

neiby


I just discovered something interesting. I only seem to have that massive delay when I open projects that were created in 8.5 (or older). I just opened up a blank project and added in a number of synths and there is no delay. I wonder why there would be latency after loading up an existing project?

>> thats hard to say. but u are correct there is no delay
      in new project. but i do see it in another program ...

Hi mate it seems you have exaxtly the same problem as me...see my post (it may help to try some of these things) Ill keep you posted if I fix it:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2252232