MIDI drum plug-in

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2016/03/24 11:00:01 (permalink)

MIDI drum plug-in

Anyone know of a MIDI drum plugin like the old Musiclab Slicy Drummer that will work in 64-bit Sonar?  I'm sure there's got to be a way to run it in 64-bit, since their DrumTools VST, which incorporates both it and Fill-in Drummer, will run in 64-bit, bit I can't figure it out.  I like the convenience of it when starting a new project - to be able to quickly access a variety of patterns while using the drum sampler of my choice (usually Battery 4).
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    Sanderxpander
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/24 12:46:35 (permalink)
    Not sure if you're aware but Addictive Drums comes with lots of midi loops.
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/24 13:05:47 (permalink)
    As Sander says, AD2 (depending on SONAR version) ships with SONAR and have lots of MIDI loops. So does Session Drummer. You could save as a template (with drum vsti), and use as start for new projects. (You probably know, so sorry if obvious, but) SONAR also have a MIDI library that defaults to Cakewalk Content\MIDI Library (again depending on SONAR version).
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/24 17:33:49 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies.  As I said, I'm really looking for a MIDI-something like Slicy Drummer that can play ANY drum sampler (Battery, Kontakt or Dimension Pro with Kits loaded) - or even software synths.  (I've "written" some interesting things playing drum MIDI patterns through pitched synths.)  My favorite drum kits are in Battery, so I need something to run it for me.
     
    The nice thing about Slicy Drummer is it gives a good visual of what the pattern is going to be, the patterns are nicely categorized, etc.  The GUI is a little outdated, but...
     
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    I've always wondered how you are supposed to take a gigantic bundle of MIDI drum loops (I've bought quite a few) and figure out how to really sort through them and find something right for what you're working on.  Tips?
     
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/24 18:33:29 (permalink)
    Cubase has something like this built in. I used to like slicy drummer.
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/24 22:49:26 (permalink)
    If you want help in finding grooves EZ Drummer 2s tap to find is great and is simple to find related grooves.
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/25 05:12:27 (permalink)
    Cakewalk's step sequencer with appropriate drum maps???

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/25 06:53:12 (permalink)
    did anyone mention jamstix yet?

    just a sec

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/25 07:19:10 (permalink)
    Have you checked out
    http://www.toontrack.com/product/ezplayer-pro/ ?
     
    EZplayer pro is a MIDI organizer, multi track arranger and format conversion tool all rolled into one nifty piece of software that you can plug into any VST, Audio Unit or RTAS compatible master application.
    With it you can convert between mapping formats and collect all your MIDI clips in one convenient location, the EZplayer pro browser. You can use EZplayer pro to preview those MIDI clips with your favourite drum sampler and drag and drop them directly into your host to construct your tracks.

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/25 10:32:49 (permalink)
    You also might want to check out MeldaProduction's MDrummer. The Small version is free. The Large version looks pricey, but I've gotta believe that it goes on sale from time to time. MP do good work for not a lot of moolah.
     
    https://www.meldaproduction.com/MDrummer%20Small
     
    This is for the large version, but it'll give you a good idea of its capabilities.

    post edited by TheMaartian - 2016/03/25 10:57:29

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/26 05:46:43 (permalink)
    Glyn Barnes
    Cakewalk's step sequencer with appropriate drum maps???

    ^^This!
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/26 13:53:44 (permalink)
    Geist is an excellent pattern based drum machine which can either host (and process) it's own samples on multilayered pads, or output MIDI to drive another drum VST. It's on sale now.

    Jamstix is an amazing program which creates very expressive and realistix drum MIDI. I hook it up to Battery 4, AD, Geist and Tremor with great success. Most people use it for "real" drum styles but I use it mostly for electro/techno styles. You can give it a basic MIDI pattern to work on as a style and it will apply human like variations and expression to it. So for example if you have a straight 4 to the floor house pattern with a snare on the 2nd and 4th beats Jamstix will add flourishes, fills and all kinds of groovy accents according to how you tweak its "style brain."

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/27 00:12:34 (permalink)
    The reason I had mentioned EZplayer Pro previously is OP had stated "I'm really looking for a MIDI-something like Slicy Drummer that can play ANY drum sampler (Battery, Kontakt or Dimension Pro with Kits loaded)"
     
    Among other things EZPlayer is a tool you can use to convert to & from various Sampler/VST Drum synth MIDI formats.
    Check the following link for more info.
    http://www.timespace.com/product/EZPP-120/6/EZplayer/toontrack_ezplayer_pro_%28serial_download%29.html
    Where you can also pick it up for £17.96 without VAT or little over $25

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/27 10:55:06 (permalink)
    TheSteven
    ...
    Check the following link for more info.
    http://www.timespace.com/product/EZPP-120/6/EZplayer/toontrack_ezplayer_pro_%28serial_download%29.html
    Where you can also pick it up for £17.96 without VAT or little over $25

    Thanks for that, Mr. TheSteven!
     
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/03/28 09:45:52 (permalink)
    TheSteven
    Have you checked out
    http://www.toontrack.com/product/ezplayer-pro/ ?
     
    EZplayer pro is a MIDI organizer, multi track arranger and format conversion tool all rolled into one nifty piece of software that you can plug into any VST, Audio Unit or RTAS compatible master application.
    With it you can convert between mapping formats and collect all your MIDI clips in one convenient location, the EZplayer pro browser. You can use EZplayer pro to preview those MIDI clips with your favourite drum sampler and drag and drop them directly into your host to construct your tracks.


    IMHO, EZ Player Pro is the most underrated plug in out there. Hope to see an update with EZ Drummer functions in it. Soon. 

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/10/27 20:35:24 (permalink)
    Nothing compares to Slicy/Fill in drummers.
    they could take ANY midi drum map and work wonders with it, expexially the 'fill in'....it was pure Magic.
    But MusicLab doesnt support it, yet their instruments are still based on that technology....If Only there was  64 bit midi wrapper.
     
    Drum Tools (a MusicLab spin-off) works OK, but no mapping because you have to load the synth into DT...
    I've tinkered with other products...NOTHING comes close to Slicy/Fill in....RIP Slicy/fill in!!!
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/10/27 20:38:08 (permalink)
    there may be a work around, using FL as a Vst or a rewire, and then using Slicy/Fill in inside of FL...I think that it still works on FL 32 bit, which wraps (via Jbridge) into a 64 compatible VSTi....
     
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/10/27 22:18:48 (permalink)
    Jamstix will output midi to a drum sampler for you. You just make/choose a basic pattern and then let Jamstix add the fills, accents and feel. It works pretty well for me.

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/10/27 22:18:48 (permalink)
    Jamstix will output midi to a drum sampler for you. You just make/choose a basic pattern and then let Jamstix add the fills, accents and feel. It works pretty well for me.

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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2016/10/28 10:27:48 (permalink)
    Chandler
    Jamstix will output midi to a drum sampler for you. You just make/choose a basic pattern and then let Jamstix add the fills, accents and feel. It works pretty well for me.



     
    but its not hardly a replacement for slicy/fill in/drum tools.
    I totally get what the OP is missing... I am missing the same thing.  I actually dug into MusicLab for not updating to 64 bit....They laughed me off of their site.....LOL
    The mapping, triggering, instances was just crazy....The freehand tool was bananas, and made percussives awesome because you could manually give it a live feeling and save it very easily.
    FWIW, I still use them in Sonar 32 bit.  And If I need to use it in a project, I dont have a problem doing the drums seperately...it takes a little off of the mix feel, but I can tweak the midi track once I get it back into Sonar 64 bit...
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2017/11/15 04:49:17 (permalink)
    I know this thread is old, but I couldn't agree more about Slicydrummer and Fill-in drummer especially. There are several reasons why it was so great and nothing I've found replaces it.
    1.  You told it what measure number you wanted the fill to be in and programmed your drum pattern leaving where you wanted the fill to be blank, then set up a loop in Sonar and just start auditioning fills until you found the one you liked.
    2.  The fills where arranged in folders by type and complexity (there were TONS of them) and whether the fill was at the beginning of the measure, the end of the measure, or the whole measure.
    3. The fills were excellent and inventive and definitely sounded programmed by a real drummer or at least someone with a clear knowledge of how a real drummer approaches fills...such as having hi-hats and other cymbals incorporated into the fills and having various velocities on the notes just like a real player would.
     
    Yes, the interface looked like a kid designed it, but who cares...it WORKED WELL, and enabled you to have very original and interesting fills quickly right in the places you wanted them.  I have NO IDEA why Musilab stopped supporting it and went to making guitar plugins exclusively???  WTH???
     
    If anyone knows of an alternative for 64 bit or a way to get it to work in a 64 bit DAW I would love to hear it...???
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2017/11/15 05:07:02 (permalink)
    EZ Player Pro might be promising, but I'm not seeing where you can audition fills in a specific measure in your arrangement like Fill-in Drummer could...that was the best feature of it!  Can anyone comment on their experiences with EZ Player Pro?
     
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    Re: MIDI drum plug-in 2017/11/15 12:23:33 (permalink)
    The ability to 'audition' fills at the beginning/middle/full/end of a measure of my choice would be phenomenal! 
     
    That's stuff I only dreamed of. There was a program that did this? Man did I miss out!

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