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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/01 18:25:59
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CakeAlexS
> hmm... but how could it do that if it's windows that is rearranging/dropping things?
Sonar would keep a table of USB MIDI devices which would be compared everytime a USB MIDI device goes online (or offline). The track that has USB MIDI devices assigned could be flagged (automatically by default) to automatically change to a particular MIDI device when it starts up.
That's what cubase does. No auto re-routing, instead on the midi device input for a track there is a placeholder "Missing: <name of controller>" that you can reroute on your own.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/01 18:32:03
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swamptooth
CakeAlexS> hmm... but how could it do that if it's windows that is rearranging/dropping things?
Sonar would keep a table of USB MIDI devices which would be compared everytime a USB MIDI device goes online (or offline). The track that has USB MIDI devices assigned could be flagged (automatically by default) to automatically change to a particular MIDI device when it starts up. That's what cubase does. No auto re-routing, instead on the midi device input for a track there is a placeholder "Missing: <name of controller>" that you can reroute on your own.
That makes sense. Like when a plugin is missing.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/01 18:57:29
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That would be a good option to have in preferences, the second option would be the current behaviour, the third option would be to have the same behaviour as your suggestion and attempt to reroute it to the previous value automatically when the MIDI device comes on line (to clarify the first option just wouldn't automatically do this).
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/17 21:45:50
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Bumping this thread to remind me to test it in X3D.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/17 22:04:11
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Ooooh, 50 demerits for resurrecting the dead. 
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/18 16:49:59
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Well I can reproduce with X3D and logged under: CWBRN-22575.
Hey Cake if you are out there please please fix this for X3E. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated...
BTW not that it should matter but all Softsynths have MIDI output enabled.
STEPS FIRST ISSUE
Turn on 3 USB MIDI devices (such as keyboards), each MIDI device has it's own channel (say 1 + 2 + 3).
Start Sonar X3D
Create new project
Insert 3 Dimension Pro softsynths.
Assign an exclusive sound for each softsynth.
Assign a single MIDI device to each softsynth track, making sure the MIDI input channel is specifically set correctly. i.e. If it's a Yamaha keyboard on channel 1, assign Yamaha Keyboard -> MIDI ch.1.
Check to see if instruments play correctly.
Save the Project.
Close Sonar X3D application.
Turn off one MIDI device.
Start Sonar X3D
Open existing project.
Now play the MIDI controllers.
EXPECTED...
a) Some warning that MIDI devices have disappeared.
b) All three MIDI tracks have maintained their values, however the missing device is flagged up in some way.
ACTUAL...
The track with the missing MIDI device seems to have had the MIDI input changed to one of the other MIDI Input devices (which is weird).
Another MIDI Controller will have it's value changed for no reason whatsoever.
A third MIDI Controller will have the value persist.
STEPS SECOND ISSUE...
Try exactly the same as above, but this time use MIDI Presets.
EXPECTED
All Controllers are listed correctly.
A warming about the missing MIDI preset.
MIDI Sounds play for two of the three controllers.
ACTUAL
All Controllers are listed correctly.
No warming about the missing MIDI preset.
No MIDI Sounds play for two of the three controllers!
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/19 00:47:25
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Hey Guys,
I run a bunch of midi devices and did get very sick of this issue. What I did to solve is as follows:
1) Set up a bunch of virtual midi ports to represent all of my my devices with a vitual port driver like midi yoke or loopmidi (available in 64 bit)
2) Configure Sonar to use the virtual devices
3) Set up routing in Midi Ox from the physical ports to the virtual
If something was not on when I started MidiOX and Sonar, Sonar won't hiccup because its looking at the virtual ports
All I need to do is get the devices started and bounce midi OX. This is much smoother for me.
This also works well because sometimes I need to pull a device for some other use mid session like running a patch editor etc. I can handle all of this without ever taking down Sonar by just changing the routings in Midi OX.
George
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/20 07:28:58
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That sounds like a very elegant work around to this chronic problem. Thanks very much for sharing it.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/21 11:37:29
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If something was not on when I started MidiOX and Sonar, Sonar won't hiccup because its looking at the virtual ports I have to say that - as much as I use virtual MIDI cables for everything under the Sun - that kind of application never occurred to me. Deceptively simple. Thanks.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2013/12/22 00:54:45
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I do not have this issue. This is because I use a HUB and almost never unplug any peripherals from it. My MIDI port is USB powered and has no switch itself tho the HUB's power does. I need to switch it on and off sometimes but that never affects the order of things because they are all routed to a single USB port on the computer.
I use a HUB because everything is shared between 2 computers thru an A/B switch.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2014/03/19 06:49:53
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Issue still reproducible in X3E. CWBRN-22575 was closed as duplicate so for the end user it is impossible to know what it's status is.
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Re:MIDI pain in ass.
2014/03/19 08:54:02
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I had been dealing with this issue for years. So there needs to be an article in Cakewalk knowledgebase.
I have 3 keyboards connected to a USB hub (Staples brand USB 3.0 hub with 7 ports). The hub is plugged into a USB 3.0 port on my computer. (I know I don't need 3.0, but the hub is 3.0 and I had problems plugging it into 2.0 port.)
My current workaround is:
1] Before I boot the computer (or resume from hibernation) I unplug all usb cables. (I unplug all cables from the hub, and unplug the hub from the computer)
2] After complete bootup, I plug hub into computer, then I plug the keyboards into the hub ALWAYS IN THE SAME PORTS, IN THE SAME ORDER.
3] If any keyboard gets unplugged, I do not plug it back in, because I know that will usually change the underlying windows port assignment and screw up all my projects midi assignments. Rather I close Sonar, unplug all keyboards and the hub, and plug in again in THE SAME PORT AND SAME ORDER as always. I then open Sonar, go to midi setup and check if the port numbers match the numbers and order I know it should be to work right (for me that is port 29, 30, 18). If not I completely shutdown and restart again from step 1.
A real pain in the ass. So I will look at trying to test the method described by geetsifly in his post above.
Hey soens, what hub are you using and what is connected to it? I do not understand why you do not have the problem. For me simply using a hub does not prevent the problem. The keyboards get assigned crazy, unless I carefully use the method I described above.
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