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MIDI playback still buggy
X1b installed.
Play back a midi loop
Some notes do not trigger.
Hard to believe this can still happen.
Extremely disappointed.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/03/21 14:26:28
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Try increasing the size of your MIDI buffer.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/03/21 14:28:03
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Another possible cause of notes failing to trigger is that the preceding note is the pitch and its duration runs into the second (non-triggering) note. Check through your file to be sure it's "clean" and that there aren't any such overlapping notes.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/03/21 14:31:40
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Is here some recipe you can offer where the problem is exhibited?
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/03/21 15:32:08
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Audiosynth, give us more detail and we might be able to help you:
- are you triggering a vst or an external synth?
- what is the envelope attack on your synth? (slow or fast?)
I can think of about 5 reasons why some midisounds would not trigger, or you can't hear them, and none of them are bugs.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/03/21 15:43:07
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> its not X-1b..others will help you go over your system !!
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/03/21 21:46:36
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I'm using Rapture and its a polyphonic patch. So overlapping notes would not cause this dropout or missed notes problem. We are talking about just a few notes over 12 bars. The notes are several bars apart. My PC is running Windows 7 Ultimate 64 AMD x4 820 cpu 4Gb ram Dedicated video card. So all ram available. Rapture is the only track - nothing else loaded / no other tracks CPU usage level is not the issue. This does not happen when using Ableton Live as a comparison. Tried the suggestion to increase the midi buffers and that seems to have done the trick. Playback is now accurate with no missing notes. Thanks to all.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/27 01:55:42
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Hi Brandon,
My recipe is simple - I have a project with 33 tracks including an SD3 instrument folder consisting of kick, snare and hat which plays "okay" (meaning that I can hear some notes that don't sound exactly right but no notes are totally missing) as MIDI when the project is playing but bounce to track or export audio causes a variety of notes to disappear from the rendered audio. I have routed the MIDI track thru other players (EZDrummer, DrumCore3) with similarly bad results so it's probably not SD3. The MIDI track is primarily a Groove Clip loop with a second layer providing some accents - cymbal crashes, etc.
So far, in addition to switching out the sample player I have tried restarting Sonar, rebooting my machine, increasing the MIDI buffer size to 750 ms and rendering in real time - nothing has made it better, in fact, in some cases it may be worse (or just different!). Frustrating as hell!
I'm running Win 7 64 Bit, Sonar X1b Producer 64 bit, 4GB RAM, Intel i870.
In addition to the "disappearing note" syndrome, I had another project in which the playback timing of MIDI drums (SD3) would drift. Rendering the MIDI drum tracks to audio helped a great deal but it was still not correct.
It's hard to believe a "meat and potatos" function like MIDI playback doesn't work right. I'm seriously considering either going back to 8.5 or jumping ship entirely. Neither of these are attractive options for me because they are either inconvenient or expensive. But none of that will matter if I continue to need to spend more time screwing with the software than I do recording.
I don't have time to spend writing bug reports or waiting on hold to talk to someone about basic stuff that should work. Bugs like this make the product unusable for me - now I'm stuck with incomplete projects. Maybe providing a utility to allow us to migrate X1 projects back to 8.5 should be considered.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/27 16:33:43
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Audio and MIDI is rendered independently in SONAR and therefore the the MIDI buffer size is independent from the audio buffer size (latency). On some hardware configurations the default MIDI playback buffer size can be insufficient for the MIDI pump to keep up with the rest of the system without dropping notes.
To solve this set the MIDI playback buffer size to about 512 or higher. In Preferences | Playback & Recording | Prepare Using ...
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/27 16:40:08
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TStorms
Hi Brandon,
My recipe is simple - I have a project with 33 tracks including an SD3 instrument folder consisting of kick, snare and hat which plays "okay" (meaning that I can hear some notes that don't sound exactly right but no notes are totally missing) as MIDI when the project is playing but bounce to track or export audio causes a variety of notes to disappear from the rendered audio. I have routed the MIDI track thru other players (EZDrummer, DrumCore3) with similarly bad results so it's probably not SD3. The MIDI track is primarily a Groove Clip loop with a second layer providing some accents - cymbal crashes, etc.
So far, in addition to switching out the sample player I have tried restarting Sonar, rebooting my machine, increasing the MIDI buffer size to 750 ms and rendering in real time - nothing has made it better, in fact, in some cases it may be worse (or just different!). Frustrating as hell!
I'm running Win 7 64 Bit, Sonar X1b Producer 64 bit, 4GB RAM, Intel i870.
In addition to the "disappearing note" syndrome, I had another project in which the playback timing of MIDI drums (SD3) would drift. Rendering the MIDI drum tracks to audio helped a great deal but it was still not correct.
It's hard to believe a "meat and potatos" function like MIDI playback doesn't work right. I'm seriously considering either going back to 8.5 or jumping ship entirely. Neither of these are attractive options for me because they are either inconvenient or expensive. But none of that will matter if I continue to need to spend more time screwing with the software than I do recording.
I don't have time to spend writing bug reports or waiting on hold to talk to someone about basic stuff that should work. Bugs like this make the product unusable for me - now I'm stuck with incomplete projects. Maybe providing a utility to allow us to migrate X1 projects back to 8.5 should be considered.
i know its tough because we get frustrated sometimes and want to scream out bug.bug.bug..but you have to remember when your writing something that it could be an operator error.and if you find out it is..it makes us look real small because we went on this tangent about how bad this software is not being able to do small thngs like midi,,,when in turn it turns out to be the operator who is so bad he cant distinguesh small fixes like the said above...good luck...just a thought.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/27 17:01:08
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Audio and MIDI is rendered independently in SONAR and therefore the the MIDI buffer size is independent from the audio buffer size (latency). On some hardware configurations the default MIDI playback buffer size can be insufficient for the MIDI pump to keep up with the rest of the system without dropping notes.
To solve this set the MIDI playback buffer size to about 512 or higher. In Preferences | Playback & Recording | Prepare Using ...
Thanks for the reply Noel. You may have missed where I said I tried that already... So far, in addition to switching out the sample player I have tried restarting Sonar, rebooting my machine, increasing the MIDI buffer size to 750 ms...
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/27 17:33:42
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chuckebaby
i know its tough because we get frustrated sometimes and want to scream out bug.bug.bug..but you have to remember when your writing something that it could be an operator error.and if you find out it is..it makes us look real small because we went on this tangent about how bad this software is not being able to do small thngs like midi,,,when in turn it turns out to be the operator who is so bad he cant distinguesh small fixes like the said above...good luck...just a thought.
On the other hand... it could just be buggy software. I'm not afraid to be wrong - in fact, I'll eat my shorts in front of the whole forum if it turns out to be something I did wrong. I've been a computer programmer since the 60's and using PC based music software since the early 80's - long before Cakewalk was born. Not that I think I know everything but, for sure, I can make an educated guess when I think there is a bug. I didn't just jump on the bug bandwagon here - I spent hours in the documentation, forum and experimenting before I wrote my original post - which it sounds like you didn't read. So, if you or anyone else can make some non-judgemental, constructive suggestions to correct my possible "operator error", I'll be happy to try them if I haven't already. If not, well, maybe "we" feel a little small for writing something that could be considered condescending, at best. Just a thought...
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 01:07:43
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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Audio and MIDI is rendered independently in SONAR and therefore the the MIDI buffer size is independent from the audio buffer size (latency). On some hardware configurations the default MIDI playback buffer size can be insufficient for the MIDI pump to keep up with the rest of the system without dropping notes.
To solve this set the MIDI playback buffer size to about 512 or higher. In Preferences | Playback & Recording | Prepare Using ...
Noel, I experimented some more with changing the MIDI playback buffer size to values I hadn't tried before. I used every 50ms increment from 100ms to 1000ms. The best MIDI playback performance was at 250 ms but there were still some note dropouts and inconsistent notes playing. The default buffer size of 256 (btw, the doc says the default is 500 but it's not) and the best performance being 250ms would explain why I didn't notice a major MIDI problem until I tried to export the project. All other increments ranged from no notes playing (100 ms) to unlistenable dropout (1000ms). Since I was having problems during playback, I didn't bother trying to bounce it down. I'm sure it would be even worse.... If I didn't mention it before the MIDI causing the problem is a groove clip created from a SD3 pattern.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 01:17:04
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Do you have a quantize plugged in? Quantize has ALWAYS dropped midi notes regardless of buffer settings. I process a copy of the midi clip with the quantize then use that. j/c
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 01:36:43
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Do you have a quantize plugged in? Quantize has ALWAYS dropped midi notes regardless of buffer settings. I process a copy of the midi clip with the quantize then use that. j/c
No, no quantize... the track is just a single bar MIDI drum pattern that I turned into a groove clip for the most part. There is a second layer containing some other drum and cymbal hits. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 02:34:05
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im sorry if i rub you the wrong way..im just saying that i tryed a number of things trying to confirm your problem..and i cant make it happen..unless i play with the midi buffer then i lose a note here or there..and quantize does thesame thing.i was just trying to merly point out if a lot of people were confirming this issue id say for sure you have a bug on your hands.i havent seen anyone jump in yet saying yes..i have this problem to i think its a bug.your problem seems isolated so i was just thinking you could be missing something in the preference menu or your midi set up.i have alot of years experience myself but i sometimes make mistakes.i just try not to scream fire unless there really is one.im sorry.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 10:10:54
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im sorry. No worries - just don't lecture me again, Dad  There are many issues with my MIDI track. For example, none of the notes for the groove clip show up in the piano roll, I can't split/edit the groove clip like I could in 8.5, etc. The only way I can see or edit the pattern is to open the step sequencer. I just chose to mention only the dropped notes because it is the most important thing to me right now and I don't have time to chase down the other problems to see if it's me or Sonar. If you want to try to recreate my problems try this: drag and drop a 1 bar pattern into a SD3 midi track set groove clip looping for the clip drag it out for several bars turn on layers add some drum/cymbal hits manually in layer 2
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 10:39:40
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For example, none of the notes for the groove clip show up in the piano roll, I can't split/edit the groove clip like I could in 8.5, etc. The only way I can see or edit the pattern is to open the step sequencer.
Not sure about the splitting issue; Alt-click with the Smart tool is one way; is that the method you are using? If this clip will open in Step Sequencer, it's not a Goove Clip, it's a Step Sequencer clip. And you can see SS events in the PRV, but you can't edit them there unless you bounce the SS clip back to a normal MIDI clip. If you really don't even see all SS clip events the PRV, I would have to think that you just don't have the window range set correctly. Or possibly you have Hide Muted Clips enabled in the PRV View menu, (which feature I just learned about myself) I realize you're frustrated with having to spend time on all this, but AFAIK, all this stuff works in X1b for the vast majority of users, so either your installation is broken, or there's a procedural/config problem. EDIT: I was going to follow your recipe for reproducing the problem, but realized that the last step (add some drum/cymbal hits manually in layer 2) isn't possible; you can't add notes to a clip in the Track View unless you enable PRV mode (i.e. Edit Filter set to Notes), and then you can't see or edit specific layers. By default, new note events will go into the first layer, so there's no way to add notes to the second layer. You either need to move that clip to the top layer, or make it a Step Sequencer clip so that it can be edited independently in SS. If you want to use SD3 with multiple layers in a single track, Step Sequencer is the way to go. Check out Seth Perstein's Drum Production tutorial vieos here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=925376 I could be wrong, but I don't think anything significant has changed in this respect between 8.5.3 and X1b.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:04:10
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If I didn't mention it before the MIDI causing the problem is a groove clip created from a SD3 pattern. Please contact support and submit a small repro project. This is definitely not a general problem so hopefully if we can repro it with your project file it might help narrow it further.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:09:35
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are you sure there all groove clips?the notes your having probs with.are they random or always the same notes..if there always the same note(like an accent cymbal)try right clicking on it,select groove clip.then try it again see if this helps.
i see your setting groove clip looping for the clip?how are you doing this,in the inspector?
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:25:52
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Not sure about the splitting issue; Alt-click with the Smart tool is one way; is that the method you are using?
[TS]No, I select the clip and right click - SPLIT is greyed out in the menu, unavailable. I'll try your method.
If this clip will open in Step Sequencer, it's not a Goove Clip, it's a Step Sequencer clip.
[TS]That's interesting... not sure how that would happen. I didn't import the pattern to SS.
And you can see SS events in the PRV, but you can't edit them there unless you bounce the SS clip back to a normal MIDI clip.
[TS]I see the notes in the track view but not in the PRV. There are 2 layers in the MIDI track - I see only the notes for the one that is not the SS - even if the SS is the selected clip.
If you really don't even see all SS clip events the PRV, I would have to think that you just don't have the window range set correctly. Or possibly you have Hide Muted Clips enabled in the PRV View menu, (which feature I just learned about myself)
[TS]The note range for the SS clip should be the same as the for the notes I am seeing. I don't have any muted clips so hiding or not hiding them should be irrelevant, right?
I realize you're frustrated with having to spend time on all this, but AFAIK, all this stuff works in X1b for the vast majority of users, so either your installation is broken, or there's a procedural/config problem.
[TS]No doubt I have a lot to learn about X1s new interface. I got Scott's book a couple of weeks ago which has helped. I'm not new to Sonar and translating old experience to the new software has been more frustration than I was prepared for - makes it hard to distinguish a bug from an intentional change or from a DFU mistake.
Thanks for the reply and suggestions. Like I said, I haven't really put much effort into tracking these niggles down. I've been chalking them up to having to learn more about the new interface. My real issue is the MIDI notes not playing. See my comments embedded above.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:25:55
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Ooops - too impatient!
post edited by TStorms - 2011/04/28 11:28:14
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:40:36
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chuckebaby
are you sure there all groove clips?the notes your having probs with.are they random or always the same notes..if there always the same note(like an accent cymbal)try right clicking on it,select groove clip.then try it again see if this helps.
i see your setting groove clip looping for the clip?how are you doing this,in the inspector?
According to brundlefly they can't be groove clips if the SS opens - so, I'm not sure. The notes are dropped randomly even though there are sections where the same beat (might be single or multiple notes) is dropped from several adjacent measures. GC looping is set from the TV right click menu for the selected clip. Unfortunately, I won't get to the studio until much later tonight so I can't try anything now.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:52:05
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you can't add notes to a clip in the Track View unless you enable PRV mode (i.e. Edit Filter set to Notes), and then you can't see or edit specific layers. I don't use PRV mode. I use VIEW/PIANO ROLL. When I insert notes in that view they end up in the second layer (by order of creation) which appears as the topmost layer in the TV. If you're considering the topmost layer the first layer, we have a terminology disconnect. But, you're right, that's where the notes go - to the topmost layer.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:53:34
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TStorms I select the clip and right click - SPLIT is greyed out in the menu, unavailable. That might actually be a bug. I can reproduce that the Split option is grayed out in the context menu for Step Sequencer clips, but the Alt-click method can still split them. But I can't reproduce not being able to see layers that are SS clips in the PRV. For that one, and the "dropped notes" issue, I would probably need to see the project firsthand. It's virtually unheard of not to be able to cure dropped notes with a larger MIDI Prepare Using buffer, unless there is some other project-specific cause.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 11:56:44
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cure dropped notes with a larger MIDI Prepare Using buffer From my experiments the larger the buffer, the worse it gets.... 250ms is best but still flaky.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 12:01:43
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TStorms
you can't add notes to a clip in the Track View unless you enable PRV mode (i.e. Edit Filter set to Notes), and then you can't see or edit specific layers.
I don't use PRV mode. I use VIEW/PIANO ROLL. When I insert notes in that view they end up in the second layer (by order of creation) which appears as the topmost layer in the TV. If you're considering the topmost layer the first layer, we have a terminology disconnect. But, you're right, that's where the notes go - to the topmost layer.
Yes, by "first" I meant "topmost". But I'm confused, now... I thought you weren't able to insert notes in the "second" (topmost) layer, but the above says you can. So are we talking about an editing problem, or are you saying those are the notes that don't play back?
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 12:03:36
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Hey TS, I'm sorry to hear you're having problems. Unfortunately I can't offer any help other than to say I have all the same problems as you do with one catch....the dropped notes happen from my hardware synths!! I have no idea what to do to make it stop. I've tried buffer sizes, different MOTU configurations, I'm out of ideas. I never had this problem on my old PC running XP pro using Sonar 8 or Sonar 8.5. On this new box I have, 8.5 and X1 both do the midi drop out with my hardware modules. Not that they are super important because I only track with them due to perfect timing, but I can't play back an entire song without notes either sticking on me or dropping out/missing. And it's never the same spots where it does this and my notes are all visible and physically there. It's like Sonar just ignores them or something. I know this has nothing to do with what you have going on, I just wanted to chime in and tell you I kinda have this issue too and what sucks is, I don't even know what to try to remedy it at this point. I hope you get yours fixed.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 12:07:15
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According to brundlefly they can't be groove clips if the SS opens I should clarify: Step Sequencer clips can be rolled out just like plain Groove Clips. What I was getting at is that ordinary Groove clips can be edited in the PRV, but Step Sequencer clips cannot. And if double-clicking a clip open the Step Sequencer, it's an SS clip, even if it started life as a rolled out Groove Clip.
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Re:MIDI playback still buggy
2011/04/28 12:20:07
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brundlefly
And if double-clicking a clip open the Step Sequencer, it's an SS clip, even if it started life as a rolled out Groove Clip.
Aside from double clicking is there some way to tell if the clip is GC or SS?
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