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2017/03/03 14:42:51 (permalink)

MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available

v4.0+72091 from March 1, 2017 now available
 
Download @ http://motu.com/avb/index.html
 
FYI, I have been using intermediate beta version v71666 for 2 months and it contained some properly working improvements compared to v71418 from Nov 2016
 
 
MOTU AVB Installer v4.0+72091 (Release Date 2017-03-01)
  • Added a workaround for PCI USB host controller cards with poor timing.
  • Improved the audio engine timers.
  • Improved Discovery app performance.
  • Fixed an issue where sample rate changes could cause a stop error.
  • Fixed an issue where unplugging UltraLite AVB could cause a stop error.
  • Fixed an issue that prevented sample rate changes from Presonus Studio One and Pro Tools.
  • Fixed an installer issue in 32-bit environment.
  • Pro Audio Driver Read Me for all MOTU AVB interfaces
MOTU AVB Installer v4.0+71418 (Release Date 2016-11-01)
  • Fixes an intermittent issue where a device fails to get detected upon restarting the computer.
  • Pro Audio Driver Read Me for all MOTU AVB interfaces

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/05 07:51:48 (permalink)
Performance has been further optimized - with version v4.0+72091 I can push buffers even lower to 64 samples + 32 saftey offset (@96kHz). Sonar now reports 2.0ms RTL; when adding the 82 samples (not reported offset determined from loopback) this gives 2.85ms true RTL at standard USB 2.0 port
 
Divide numbers by 2 for 44.1 kHz ... 32 samples + 16 host safety gets you similar performance ...

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/05 13:34:23 (permalink)
Were you one of the ones that had initial issues with the Motu AVB?  I followed that thread very closely as this interface is on my short list.  What is keeping it from the top is the potential driver issues.

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/05 19:29:26 (permalink)
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Were you one of the ones that had initial issues with the Motu AVB?  I followed that thread very closely as this interface is on my short list.  What is keeping it from the top is the potential driver issues.


Yeah. That was me. And as a result to my issues MOTU provided me with a beta driver which pretty much solved all the issues. Now the latest driver seems to outperform the beta I had meanwhile...

The AVB system itself is fantastic. Works like charm and IO and sound quality is excellent. In terms of using it on Windows I might have hit the last little bit of the "earlier adopter phase" as there have been 4 official driver updates since last August ... but they seem to be very determined to also provide top performance on Windows.

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/05 20:16:41 (permalink)
Thanks for the heads up Rob - I'll give it a try.

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I usually use ASIO set at 64 or 128 samples
er - that's it I think...
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/05 22:53:13 (permalink)
Rob, thanks for the info.  I think this just went back to the top of my list.

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/06 02:50:56 (permalink)
I've been using this driver for about 2 weeks after MOTU sent it to me to test. I was having highly intermittent clicks using heavy hitter VSTi like Ivory, balls to walls, all options on. Would happen after a minute or so of playing. Didn't have to be recording, just playing would do it. Drove me crazy. Buffer/Safety buffer size didn't matter until I went to something like 256 which of course made playing a VSTi impossible due to the latency.. Samplitude would report "Lost ASIO Buffer" when I got the clicks. If I was recording, it usually wasn't printed but sometimes it was. On playback sometimes it happened at the same time in the recording, other times it didn't. That's what was driving me crazy. It was all over the place. My gut feeling was the MOTU was losing sync after some period of time because these clicks never happened early on in playing or recording. My system is highly optimized but even so I tried all kinds of additional "stuff"... Even dragged out the ancient MAudio Delta 66 which had no problems at all. BTW the MOTU had problems with 2 different System boards. An Asus and a Gigabyte. Same symptom. Finally filed a techlink with MOTU and they sent me the driver.
Bingo.
All fixed.
I'm running 64ms with 16 safety buffer @48k and I can literally load up Ivory or Ravenscroft, turn on everything to the max, hit the sustain pedal and do glissandos for hours without a click or a pop.
I could not do that with the previous driver although loading it down with audio tracks and FX didn't seem to provoke anything. Just VSTi aggravated it for some reason.
LatencyMon barely registered, even with the older driver.
Processlasso showed nothing unusual.
I was just about to sell the unit.
 
Reaper and Studio One V3 latency is 1.6ms in and 1.6ms out for 3.2ms RTL......
That is amazing performance....
 
I have a MOTU Ulatralite AVB.
P.S. It is all about the driver and the company that makes the unit. An interface with great sounding boutique pre-amps, or a gazillion features is nothing but a brick if the drivers are not up to the task. Granted, not everyone is ITB and many who are recording real instruments using the direct monitoring features that most interfaces offer, have far less to worry about concerning RTL and tight drivers but even still, support matters. Honestly if someone asked me about MOTU and Windows 3 years ago I would have said, MOTU is a MAC oriented company. And from my perspective that was true. Not anymore. They are laser focused on Windows which is a good thing. 
Just my 2 cents.
 
 
post edited by steveo42 - 2017/03/06 03:19:07
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/06 08:41:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby steveo42 2017/03/06 12:31:48
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I've been using this driver for about 2 weeks after MOTU sent it to me to test. I was having highly intermittent clicks using heavy hitter VSTi like Ivory, balls to walls, all options on. [...] If I was recording, it usually wasn't printed but sometimes it was. On playback sometimes it happened at the same time in the recording, other times it didn't. That's what was driving me crazy. [...]
 
Bingo.
All fixed.

 
thanks for sharing since you got a 2 weeks head start ;-)
glad it is all solved, especially as it partly resembles my experience from last fall
 
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Reaper and Studio One V3 latency is 1.6ms in and 1.6ms out for 3.2ms RTL......
That is amazing performance....



that's also the sweet spot here

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/06 18:52:47 (permalink)
These drivers seem to work fine here. I still get crackles in a busy project when I go to 64 samples (64 or 48 offset), but it doesn't freak out like it used to. ;-)
 
setting at 128 (offset 48) still works fine for me and gives me 8 ms RTL @ 44.1 KHz. This is perfectly useable.
 

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I usually use ASIO set at 64 or 128 samples
er - that's it I think...
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/07 21:45:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Maarkr 2017/03/09 18:43:42
I know this sounds crazy but have you tried a LOWER safety buffer?
People on GS have been reporting that 64/16 actually works better than 64/64+
Also noted is there seems to be no rhyme or reason to this.
This was with the last released driver from 11/1 so maybe things are different with the latest, but it's worth a try.
 
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/08 11:34:04 (permalink)
Well I'll be damned! 64 with 16 works fine and gives 3.6 ms RTL at 44.1.
Thanks for pointing this out Steve!

I can still only run one or two amp sims (S-Gear) like this till it crackles a little - then I have to bounce or go back to 128/48. 128 with lower safeties also works fine now - and never used to - so this driver ver is definitely optimised better

So it seems some combinations of buffer/safety are better than others, and bigger isn't always better ;-)

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I usually use ASIO set at 64 or 128 samples
er - that's it I think...
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/08 13:10:26 (permalink)
Someone else pointed it out to me as well. I figured if I'm getting clicks at say 64/64 then 64/16 has got to make things worse so I didn't even bother to test. Glad things are going well. 
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/08 14:58:55 (permalink)
That's exactly what I thought ;-)

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I usually use ASIO set at 64 or 128 samples
er - that's it I think...
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/09 18:37:09 (permalink)
SPLAT 201702 build 45 and new MOTU loads working good with my Ultralite mk4.  Site said to update firmware so I used the latest, then ran the new drivers.  Tested with a two recent projects, one without much fx and another with heavy fx and instrument tracks... ASIO set at 128 samples/48 offset (8.0 ms roundtrip) and perfect on lite mix, got a bit of clicking noise on the heavy fx mix.
still can't run the MOTU interface in Chrome, though... asked MOTU and they don't understand it either.
 
edit: and steve0, that WAS an improvement on my heavy mix when I lowered the offset to 16.  amazing!

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/09 18:48:51 (permalink)
This may or may not help but it worked for me.
 
With Chrome, you can't zoom the text size too large or it will not work. So open a web page, say Google.com, and hit CTRL - (minus key) to reduce the size of the text. Close Chrome and then try the MOTU interface. I had the same problem a while ago and it was driving me crazy. 
Zoom to 80 % works for me
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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/10 14:56:19 (permalink)
nope, went down to 50% and it still wouldn't load.

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Re: MOTU AVB interfaces - new driver available 2017/03/10 17:59:41 (permalink)
Maarkr
nope, went down to 50% and it still wouldn't load.


Rats!
That is weird.
Only thing I can think of is maybe some extension in Chrome  that is causing problems.
Mine works here, no Ethernet hooked up though.
 
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