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MOTU UltraLite-mk4
The latest in MOTU's award-winning UltraLite series, the UltraLite-mk4 is a USB audio interface with 40 simultaneous I/O channels (18 in, 22 out). It also delivers exceptional sound quality, new ultra-low latency drivers and expanded DSP for studio-grade mobile audio recording. http://motu.com/products/proaudio/ultralite-mk4
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/06 08:40:51
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Similar to the Ultralite AVB... albeit without the AVB part.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/06 12:13:13
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I am looking at this. I don't need the AVB. I have been following the thread chronicling the driver issues some have been experiencing with the AVB units. I am not sure if the drivers are the same.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/06 15:40:29
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King_Windom
I am looking at this. I don't need the AVB. I have been following the thread chronicling the driver issues some have been experiencing with the AVB units. I am not sure if the drivers are the same.
USB and AVB has different drivers. The only difference i can se from MK3 is both inst/mick is in front, and you have dedicated PAD buttons.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/06 16:19:41
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The converters are newer than mkIII units... and have slightly lower noise-floor.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/06 16:33:15
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Jim Roseberry
The converters are newer than mkIII units... and have slightly lower noise-floor.
Ahh. You shouldn't.. Now i have to buy this... Oh wait. I'm broke. Anyone wants to buy a good, working, used UltraLite MK3 to the same prise as a new MK4?
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/08 16:32:27
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The AVB driver issues will be temporary. The older version driver is rock solid and works great. This new problem is only happening on computer reboots (which won't affect a lot of people).
I'm sure the MOTU guys will fix this. They seem to know what they're doing, and seem to respond when there are problems.
I wouldn't talk myself out of one of their interfaces because of this.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/12 08:26:28
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Jarsve
Jim Roseberry
The converters are newer than mkIII units... and have slightly lower noise-floor.
Ahh. You shouldn't.. Now i have to buy this...
Oh wait. I'm broke. Anyone wants to buy a good, working, used UltraLite MK3 to the same prise as a new MK4?
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/12 19:08:51
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I just bought a demo mk3 from Sweetwater, oh, two weeks ago, and then the mk4's came out:(
I haven't spent much time in the studio, but I was up and running in short order and I thought the clarity, the crispness of the mk3 as compared to my Roland Quad Capture was significant. Idk, are the converters really that much better or am I fooling myself?
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/16 18:43:58
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I wonder if this one has the same issues the previous MOTU units have with USB 3.0 Ports... My Surface Pro only has that connectivity to offer... I bought the PreSonus Studio 192 Mobile due to those having noted issues with 3.0 Ports, but I'm wondering now about this unit.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/17 03:54:28
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My Ultralite AVB is OK on a USB3 port (it's just USB2 -but works fine on a USB3 port) - so I would guess that the newer ones are fine.
You could check with MOTU...
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/18 15:51:02
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Jim Roseberry
The converters are newer than mkIII units... and have slightly lower noise-floor.
the convertors are newer on the avb series? or on mark 4 as well?
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/20 09:38:29
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☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2016/10/24 05:57:23
HighAndDry
the convertors are newer on the avb series? or on mark 4 as well?
Yes, the larger AVB series have slightly better specs than the Fireface UFX. The Ultralite AVB has the same converters as the mkIII series, but re-engineered to provide lower noise-floor. - The MOTU 896HD and mkIII series had an average noise-floor of ~-107dB
- The Ultralite AVB has an average noise-floor of ~-110dB
Though I haven't measured the Ultralite mk4, it's using technology from the Ultralite AVB. I'd assume they're using the same converters/design as the Ultralite AVB.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/23 04:14:16
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/10/26 23:47:59
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after debating over the Mk4 vs a Presonus 192M with a price reduction, I just ordered the Mk4. I've had a Focusrite Pro24 FW for many years, and I hope the MOTU will last for many more. Figured if I upgrade my mobo in the next year (it's 4 yrs old... is that too old?), I can use the USB since firewire seems to be an outdated concept. After 2 days using the mk4, I'm loving it. Music seems cleaner with more fidelity... hard to explain but kind of like listening to a low quality mp3@128kb vs the wave file. I heard things on songs I've never noticed before. I was thinking about upgrading monitors but I'm good for now. The matrix will take some getting used to, but I like the dsp where I can run inputs thru the motu mixer. It works fine w the latest Win 10 for me, and no probs w SPLAT. Knock on wood, hope this works for years like my other equip.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/02 14:40:56
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Maarkr
after debating over the Mk4 vs a Presonus 192M with a price reduction, I just ordered the Mk4. I've had a Focusrite Pro24 FW for many years, and I hope the MOTU will last for many more. Figured if I upgrade my mobo in the next year (it's 4 yrs old... is that too old?), I can use the USB since firewire seems to be an outdated concept.
After 2 days using the mk4, I'm loving it. Music seems cleaner with more fidelity... hard to explain but kind of like listening to a low quality mp3@128kb vs the wave file. I heard things on songs I've never noticed before. I was thinking about upgrading monitors but I'm good for now.
The matrix will take some getting used to, but I like the dsp where I can run inputs thru the motu mixer. It works fine w the latest Win 10 for me, and no probs w SPLAT. Knock on wood, hope this works for years like my other equip.
Thanks for this feedback.I'm in a dilemma whether to go for motu or RME and I'm looking for good reviews on motu from the sonar community.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/03 02:27:34
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/03 05:10:50
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MaarkrAfter 2 days using the mk4, I'm loving it. Music seems cleaner with more fidelity... hard to explain but kind of like listening to a low quality mp3@128kb vs the wave file. I heard things on songs I've never noticed before. I was thinking about upgrading monitors but I'm good for now. Yep:)
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/03 14:47:18
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I have an 828/3 and ultralite /3 and often use them standalone, so I am concerned that in the process of adding a +1 to the version number to the mk4, the ultralite lost 5 knobs along the way.. i suspect this means that using the knobs for standalone mixer duties is pretty much lost?..
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/21 09:31:08
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actually I m checking to get the moto ultralite mk4 or the Studio 192 mobile
how it is the 192? do you have problem with latency cause i read that have some problem with latency so you have to choose high sample buffer when you use virtual instruments.
how is the motu mk4 latency?
i compose music with a lot of virtual instruments so i dont wanna have have problem with RTL
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/21 09:40:52
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☄ Helpfulby miguel88 2016/11/23 11:26:04
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actually I m checking to get the moto ultralite mk4 or the Studio 192 mobile
how it is the 192? do you have problem with latency cause i read that have some problem with latency so you have to choose high sample buffer when you use virtual instruments.
how is the motu mk4 latency?
i compose music with a lot of virtual instruments so i dont wanna have have problem with RTL
The MOTU Ultralite mk4 yields lower round-trip latency than the Studio 192 mobile. At a 64-sample ASIO buffer size 44.1k, the Ultralite mk4 can run at sub 5ms total round-trip latency.
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miguel88
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/21 10:30:45
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yes look like motu works good but i would like to know the new round-trip latency of the studio 192 or studio 192 mobile with the new driver from two months ago,
if someone have this interfaces can they put here they round-trip latency on they daw,
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/11/21 10:36:26
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☄ Helpfulby miguel88 2016/11/23 11:25:54
When I was looking at upgrading my interface, I tried a Studio 192. The automatic setup that the Presonus software did, wound up with over 22ms latency. I was able to lower it myself but only in the 6ms or so (input) area. There are many posts on the web about the poor latency of the Studio 192 models. I never really got to work with the Studio 192 and try to lower the latency even further as it died on me the second day (would not power off). I sent it back and wound up with an MOTU 896mk3 Hybrid. The latency for the MOTU unit is 2.7 msec input, 3.3 msec output and 6.1 msec total round trip (as reported by Sonar).
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/07 19:19:02
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New MOTU 624 is a real contender at $795 list.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/07 22:02:49
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yes the new one have better converters and have one moro knob to control the volume of outputs so that is a small plus
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/10 03:13:10
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I sent mine back to the dealer. Way too unstable for me.
I had a Mk3 hybrid connected on Firewire (which already was a nightmare to make it work without a crash - i had to buy a specifi firewire pci card with TI chipset blabla , cause motu seems very sensitive). Latencymon helped a lot to make my system work better. The Mk3 hybrid was fine except the dynamic compressor sometimes get stucks in "full" compression" and needed to reboot the interface.
So despite of all the problems i had with the MK3 hybrid, i tried to keep up with Motu, cause the products are great on the Paper. With the MK4, I liked the idea of web based mixing (in use it's a bit annoying cause it opens a new windows each time you click - would be better if you get the opened window back) .
Features of the MK4 are great, and the routing grid is very powerful - and quite complex to master - but with the MK4 it's not a day when i need to reboot all to get it work correctly again. (and sometimes many times a day if i often switch from 44 to 96, buffers etc.. it quickly gets buggy.
Sometimes the card is not "visible" to Motu discovery ( services.msc / restart motu services and back again ..)
I noticed more noise on the mk4 than MK3 (very much nois electric noise) on the mic1 input pass +50, and it was related to the XLR Plug / Cable. When i moved the cable in the plug i was able to "lower/raise" the noise. I changes the cable and the XLR seem to make better contact , no more electric noise past 50. I dont know if it's the cable or the connector on the interface that is faulty
- i even had a windows blue screen .. just by trying some buffers / latency test from sonar , the system went unstable.
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Conclusion
2 crash dumps have been found and analyzed. A third party driver has been identified to be causing system crashes on your computer. It is strongly suggested that you check for updates for these drivers on their company websites. Click on the links below to search with Google for updates for these drivers:
If no updates for these drivers are available, try searching with Google on the names of these drivers in combination with the errors that have been reported for these drivers. Include the brand and model name of your computer as well in the query. This often yields interesting results from discussions on the web by users who have been experiencing similar problems.
I sent this to motu and their answer was : try another USB port .. c'mon Guys ! i don't spent 700 € to debug your soundcards ..
I sent it back to the dealer.
RME Fireface UCX on it's way. Hope i wont be disapointed cause the price is way higher.
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/10 05:48:31
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I sent mine back to the dealer. Way too unstable for me.
I had a Mk3 hybrid connected on Firewire (which already was a nightmare to make it work without a crash - i had to buy a specifi firewire pci card with TI chipset blabla , cause motu seems very sensitive). Latencymon helped a lot to make my system work better. The Mk3 hybrid was fine except the dynamic compressor sometimes get stucks in "full" compression" and needed to reboot the interface.
So despite of all the problems i had with the MK3 hybrid, i tried to keep up with Motu, cause the products are great on the Paper. With the MK4, I liked the idea of web based mixing (in use it's a bit annoying cause it opens a new windows each time you click - would be better if you get the opened window back) .
Features of the MK4 are great, and the routing grid is very powerful - and quite complex to master - but with the MK4 it's not a day when i need to reboot all to get it work correctly again. (and sometimes many times a day if i often switch from 44 to 96, buffers etc.. it quickly gets buggy.
Sometimes the card is not "visible" to Motu discovery ( services.msc / restart motu services and back again ..)
I noticed more noise on the mk4 than MK3 (very much nois electric noise) on the mic1 input pass +50, and it was related to the XLR Plug / Cable. When i moved the cable in the plug i was able to "lower/raise" the noise. I changes the cable and the XLR seem to make better contact , no more electric noise past 50. I dont know if it's the cable or the connector on the interface that is faulty
- i even had a windows blue screen .. just by trying some buffers / latency test from sonar , the system went unstable.
"Who crashed" (from resplendescence) said :
Conclusion
2 crash dumps have been found and analyzed. A third party driver has been identified to be causing system crashes on your computer. It is strongly suggested that you check for updates for these drivers on their company websites. Click on the links below to search with Google for updates for these drivers:
If no updates for these drivers are available, try searching with Google on the names of these drivers in combination with the errors that have been reported for these drivers. Include the brand and model name of your computer as well in the query. This often yields interesting results from discussions on the web by users who have been experiencing similar problems.
I sent this to motu and their answer was : try another USB port .. c'mon Guys ! i don't spent 700 € to debug your soundcards ..
I sent it back to the dealer.
RME Fireface UCX on it's way. Hope i wont be disapointed cause the price is way higher.
do you use pc or mac? is one of the one i thinking to get but probably i will wait after namm to see the reviews and if any new good option, i use mac so motu usually is good on, on pc have more problem with drivers
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/10 05:58:01
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I use PC and the problems of stability seems to occur after switching Sample rate Back and forth etc.. But when it works it works very well ! ( very low latency , good sound quality ) .
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/14 11:40:37
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Just to let you know :
The RME Fireface UCX is WAY more stable than the MK4 on my machine.
Same USB port, Same Power plug. Drivers are very , very stable. No Crash. I keep switching from app to app, change Sample rate , etc... no Crash.
Sometimes the MK4 became Erratic after such operations. (i'm sure it's just a driver pb) .
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Re: MOTU UltraLite-mk4
2016/12/15 08:52:29
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Just to let you know :
The RME Fireface UCX is WAY more stable than the MK4 on my machine.
Same USB port, Same Power plug. Drivers are very , very stable. No Crash. I keep switching from app to app, change Sample rate , etc... no Crash.
Sometimes the MK4 became Erratic after such operations. (i'm sure it's just a driver pb) .
Ive been researching for the past few months for an audio interface upgrade.RME and MOTU were on the top of the list.Iv read a lot of posts here and outside on problems with MOTU. On the other hand Ive hardly heard of any complaints against the RME interfaces. So im almost set to get the ucx. This thread is just reconfirming that my conclusion was right.
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