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2017/11/26 15:48:21 (permalink)

MOTU's Digital Performer

My name is Lee Shapiro, I'm a keyboard player originally from Bergen County, New Jersey.
Some of you might find that name familiar.  There is in fact another keyboard player named Lee Shapiro also from Bergen County, NJ. And THAT Lee Shapiro was the keyboard player and song arranger for Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons (2nd generation).  He currently performs in his new band called The Hit Men, along with other famous side-musicians, whose credits are way too numerous to mention.  This Lee Shapiro is also famous for creating the popular "Rock n Roll Elmo" doll from several years ago.

So what's this have to do with anything?  Well, I've become Facebook friends with "the other" Lee Shapiro, and we often have a good laugh confusing his fans, while I get some free publicity for my songs, as well as his occasional misdirected fan mail.
And I just talked to him about what DAW he uses (telling him about the Cakewalk saga).  He suggested MOTU's Digital Performer (which has a sidegrade offer for other competing DAWs, including Sonar) and said it's the only DAW software he uses. (No ProTools)

I downloaded the trial version, but haven't had a chance to work with it yet.  But if you look at the website, you'll find a very familiar looking user interface, and many of the same features as Sonar, along with many other cool features, not found in Sonar.

Since this DAW has not been mentioned here before (at least I couldn't find any mention of it), I figure I'd suggest it for those of you looking at alternative DAWs.  I think it's definitely worth checking out:

http://motu.com/products/software/dp

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 17:09:43 (permalink)
You would think someone from MOTU would be here...

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 17:14:41 (permalink)
I did the Demo....not for me.  Font's too small.  Don't care for the workflow.
It just seems cumbersome to me...


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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 17:15:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/26 17:28:25
Yea, same for me. I think they need that vectorial interface FL Studio has.
 

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 18:07:14 (permalink)
I'd like to hear more about people's experiences with DP. I often overlook it, but having a look at it on the website just now, it does seems to remind me of Sonar more than the other DAW's being floated around.

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 18:56:20 (permalink)
After I had seen this post I went and tried to find out a little more about this DAW. There is not a lot of info out there. I did a youtube search and not a lot came up for version 9, and what was there was about new features.There was some videos that were old for previous versions. I was looking for the basics. I did find this video about creating a new project and setup:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7JNeXRZTP0
 
 
Also downloaded the 1000 page manual here:
 
http://motu.com/techsupport/manuals
 
Looks like a very capable DAW and customizable.
I also could not find on their site or the internet that it is VST3 compatible. Not a dealbreaker though.
 
It has a 30 day demo.
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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 21:13:40 (permalink)
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You would think someone from MOTU would be here...




We need more vultures gathering around the carcass.

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/26 21:16:31 (permalink)
Kinda like those MOTU guys. Visited them when I studied nearby. Good show.

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 00:19:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/27 00:31:20
I downloaded DP for Win this morning and have been messing around with it for about an hour. I don't find it at all like Sonar, and actually I find it rather difficult to get my head around it.
 
Mind you, I've been testing new DAWs (or familiarizing myself with ones I own but have barely used) non-stop for the past three days, so I've kind of had it up to here with DAW designs and workflows that aren't Sonar, so take this with a grain of salt...
 
But I found DP to be kind of ugly; the text, labels and icons are waaay to small to read clearly; and the workflow seemed cumbersome. Took me 15 minutes to figure out how to import an audio file into DP and play it. Could not figure out how to re-open a synth interface window once I'd closed it. I'm sure it can be done, but after fiddling with every undecipherable icon and unreadable text label I could for about 5 mins in an attempt to do, I sort of concluded that DP wasn't for me, and closed it and just got on with my life. 
 
I'm sure its a great product, and I've heard good things about it. But it actually struck me as the DAW most unlike Sonar that I have tried this week (a list that includes: Studio One 3, Samplitude Pro X 3, Reaper, Mixbus, Mixcraft 8 and n-Track Studio). 
 
 
 
 

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 03:28:07 (permalink)
Yes, I agree with everyone who says that the font /text labels are WAY too small.  And I've got two pretty big monitors.   I was looking for the options/preferences that might make the font size larger, but couldn't find anything.
You practically need a magnifying glass to hold up to the screen.   Other than that, it does have potential.  Unfortunately I can't really try very much because I can't read the buttons.

I'm going to try one more time to see if I can change the font size.

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 03:39:54 (permalink)
I found for what you get it's a bit more expensive than Cubase right now. $395 vs $255. Tho someone said some Cubase crossgrade plugins are only demo.
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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 04:00:10 (permalink)
Under the TEXT dropdown menu there is an option to make the text bigger or smaller.  Unfortunately those options (and keyboard shortcuts) are grayed out.  Useless.
 

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 04:40:27 (permalink)
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Under the TEXT dropdown menu there is an option to make the text bigger or smaller.  Unfortunately those options (and keyboard shortcuts) are grayed out.  Useless.
 


Yeah, I found that too. Can't imagine why it was greyed out. Is that a functionality they withhold from the demo? Font size? 
 
Anyway, it looked like a full-featured DAW -- at least judging from the number of buttons, tabs and sliders I couldn't read. :) I've seen DP in action, actually -- Michael Patti uses it one some of his walk-thru and live composition screencasts demonstration for Cinesamples -- and it looks like an effective DAW. Of course, he's on a Mac, and the Mac version looks a little bit different than the Windows one, and he's working from a mammoth template he has set up that is no doubt customized to his specific needs.
 
Some folks might find it works for them, but I really felt out of place in DP -- much more so than in Studio One or Reaper. I don't think its for me...

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 04:55:53 (permalink)
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BrianSzep
You would think someone from MOTU would be here...




We need more vultures gathering around the carcass.




Instead of having a piss poor attitude why don't you try and help people with accurate info. There is one thing that is always going to be....Life is change!
 
I'm not happy about Sonar closing down. I've been with Cakewalk since Pro Audio 5. Also, I'm not showing favoritism towards any other DAW. I have made my choice already and I went with Cubase. I would have chose Studio One but it's not mature enough YET. I really liked it's work flow.
 
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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 21:06:18 (permalink)
There are some videos on Groove3 for versions 8 and 9.
Haven't watched; IF I move, I'm leaning toward Cubase I think.
Right now that's a big IF
 
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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 23:12:01 (permalink)
<whew>

Painful!

I just trued it having firgotten about it before seeing this thread. I have never used this program before and my only exposure was a failed attempt to help a friend get a mix exported from it.

I'll bet i could get audio to work simply recording/playing (I haven't tried) but so far, midi has not worked. I had it add my existing VSTs and it crashed first try but managed 2nd try.

Inserting any of the VSTs so far results in white noise. Maybe the included instruments work but i have not tried them either.

Yes... all text is small, but the track text is even smaller and I too was unable to find a way to change track height...

So for now, DP is out of the front runners... Either the learning curve is too steep (makes me think of Media Composer), or it has some issues.

Maybe this is why we hear so little of it?

Pushing me to stay with Sonar even more than before! If that's even possible?

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 23:32:54 (permalink)
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<whew>

Painful!


That pretty much summed it up for me.
 
I managed to get midi working during my trial run, but I actually couldn't tell you how, as I was basically clicking on this and that, and suddenly there it was. I used the Sequence tab when trying to manipulate audio or midi information, as that was resizeable. The track view, I think, was intended as a summary screen or your-project-at-a-glance screen. It was too small to work with or get much detail from. At least, that is my theory. 

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/27 23:43:22 (permalink)
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Keni
<whew>

Painful!


That pretty much summed it up for me.
 
I managed to get midi working during my trial run, but I actually couldn't tell you how, as I was basically clicking on this and that, and suddenly there it was. I used the Sequence tab when trying to manipulate audio or midi information, as that was resizeable. The track view, I think, was intended as a summary screen or your-project-at-a-glance screen. It was too small to work with or get much detail from. At least, that is my theory. 


I tried the sequence screen and though it's resizable, it didn't seem to have all the needed tools?

No matter... the white noise asked me to leave......... 👽

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/28 00:26:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/28 00:32:38
Also demoed it. Fonts are tooooo small, can't even start using it. I googled this issue and it seems that nothing can be done to increase font size and the developer doesn't seem to care. Oh, well, uninstall will fix it for me.

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/28 00:41:36 (permalink)
Ah well looks like my little daydream about DP being an option is officially over....

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Re: MOTU's Digital Performer 2017/11/28 00:50:08 (permalink)
Dang. Loved that idea as well. Gone and buried now.

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