MOTU-ASIO or WDM

wanted to get the general concensus if it's not too much of a bother if most people with MOTU soundcards (specifically 828MKII) are using the ASIO drivers or WDM/KS. Mine's running smooth as a kitten with WDM and that was recommended to me by Rip Rowan for use in Sonar. Cubase (nasty word?) uses the ASIO seamlessly but Sonar? Opinions gentleman of the walk?

wanted to get the general concensus if it's not too much of a bother if most people with MOTU soundcards (specifically 828MKII) are using the ASIO drivers or WDM/KS. Mine's running smooth as a kitten with WDM and that was recommended to me by Rip Rowan for use in Sonar. Cubase (nasty word?) uses the ASIO seamlessly but Sonar? Opinions gentleman of the walk?

Unless you manually edit your AUD.ini file, the MOTU WDM latency reported in Sonar is not the actual latency (you can test by using some very high latencies, where you will actually hear that the WDM latency is noticable higher).

That being said, if you do use the mkII in WDM mode, use this AUD.ini hack. Noel (from Cakewalk) recommended modifying this line in AUD.INI for the MOTU 828mkII:
KsUseInputEvent=1

With this hack WDM will actually perform at the latency advertised. However, if AUD.ini is ever recreated, you will lose this value and you'll have to re-add it.

Personally, I use ASIO exclusively, because it doesn't rely on AUD.ini hacks. There is another reason I do it, but unfortunately I can't recall the reason. But after getting Noel's hack, I ran in WDM mode for a couple of days, before switching back because something else about WDM bugged me.

Eric

That being said, if you do use the mkII in WDM mode, use this AUD.ini hack. Noel (from Cakewalk) recommended modifying this line in AUD.INI for the MOTU 828mkII:
KsUseInputEvent=1

Intesting. I'm using a single 1224 and a single 24i through a PCI 324 card. Do you think that hack will work for my setup as well ?

so what do I do-copy KsUseInputEvent=1

It should already be there, just change it to 1.

To the other folks wondering if this hack will work for other MOTU units. Search this forum for KsUseInputEvent. Maybe Noel commented on it. Otherwise, raise the WDM latency until you hear an obvious slapback through an open mic. Close Sonar, change the param, and listen again.

Eric

do your question marks have a meaning John? Are you saying you don't understand what Graham is saying? Just to let you know the response was to my post and I did understand it.

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do your question marks have a meaning John? Are you saying you don't understand what Graham is saying? Just to let you know the response was to my post and I did understand it.

I do not understand us MOTU users being MOTU apologist’s, the MOTU stuff works just as well under Windows as a MAC. The MOTU stuff works as well under Windows as any other brand and their drivers are current and solid. ( I do admit their phone support could be ALOT better). I bought MOTU for the cross platform capability and use my 896 and 828 under Windows as well as MAC and like I said it works equally as well so the statement that MOTU likes MAC better that Windows is completely without merit.

Maybe the statement should be: MOTU likes Macs better than PCs, but they still like PCs better than most other manufacturers.

Eric

Thanks for input John. Point taken. I think Graham's intentions were to say that MOTU has put a bit more into their MAC presentation than Windows. I think you can tell that by the manual as well. I've had colleagues that up until the last year or so had problems with different MOTU interfaces on their PC's, yet with MAC and Cubase there were no issues. They are professionals and didn't want to wait around so went back to MAC because it worked smoothly. I agree that the MOTU works great with PC. Maybe it should have read "liked MAC better". Actually back to the main thread, do you use ASIO or WDM drivers when running Sonar?

my MOTU is way better than my echo as well. Back to the thread-do you use ASIO or WDM drivers

I started with the WDM drivers when I moved to XP because of Sonars recommendation, and haven't looked back. I have had no issues with latency or performance thus never found a need to even load the ASIO drivers. I probably should load them, just to A / B the performance. Mind you, I record audio at 24 / 44.

I haven't jumped on board with the higher sampling rates quite yet. I think it gets overhyped, to some degree. A lot of my friends with small home studios jumped on this bandwagon the second it became available. CPU efficiency, latency, disk space, etc, all got expensed in the tradeoff. In the same breath, they we're using cheap, non quad cables, didn't know how to phase mic drums, and couldn't tune or treat their mixing space.

I'm gonna start recording some projects at 48 Khz. I'm interested to see how my system performs as a whole.

I was using WDM/Ks earlier(on my 2Ghz Pentium 4 Laptop), but lately I am running ASIO drivers with the buffersize 512 on my new DAW(AMD 3000+).
This machine has a Via chipset Firewire and it had some problems with Maudio uno MIDI interface. I unhooked the Uno MIDI and run MOTU 828
with 512 buffers ASIO and works like a charm now. I record 24/44.1 and usually go up to 16-18 trax on projects. 2-3 aux busses with reverb, delay and about 8-10 inserts mostly compressors and a multiband comp at the end, all work seemless.
I like MOTU, even though I have the earlier model without the MIDI.

I've always ended up using ASIO with my MotU 2408mk3/PCI-424. I've noticed WDM being somewhat less "stable", than ASIO. On my previous machine, it created some strange feedback noise when playing a loop (after first loop). Now i've got a new machine and had a quick test only with WDM, but it seemed to work better now. Still I've sticked with ASIO as it just seems more stable.


Cheers,
raymond.

I have the MOTU 1224 and I run on a XP Home edition P4 2.0Ghz with 512M Ram. My MOTU installation disks are for Win 95 or 98 only. So I have the update from Motu and I do not see where I use thw ASIO drivers. Where do I get these drivers? Because I can not get the 1224 to work usuing the PCI-324 wav drivers. Any questions or help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
John

I've got a MOTU 896 and an 828mkII and am using WDM drivers with no complaints.

I have the original Motu 828 and have used both ASIO and WDM drivers in both Cuebase SX and Sonar version 3 producer
I find the WDM to be less hassle and really are the best for Sonar3 producer
In Sonar 3 I found the Asio driver didn't want to work at all.
I must say to all the Motu bashers I Bought my Motu 828 over 2 years ago, I plugged in installed drivers no problems have been using it faultlessly for the whole 2 years with out a single problem.
I plan to upgrade to 2 of the new 828 mark II units, mainly for more inputs.



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