fiddlebuster
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MP3 encoder
Probably beating a dead horse here but, having to pay extra for an mp3 encoder for a recording program in this day and time is just f@#$ing crap. should be included as standard in the software. But, that's not the bad part, before the message pop up It actually worked a couple of times. Lulling me into a false sense of accomplishment. I feel violated.... the bastards....  Sorry for the rant I'll go play something appropriately sad now.
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57Gregy
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/05 23:50:26
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Yeah, it's a 30-day trial encoder. There are plenty of free encoders out there, and depending on what version of Windows Media Player you have, you may already have one.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 07:52:49
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Yeah... this is the one I love and use.... Wavepad click on teh GET IT NOW button and load it up. It is free but it runs as a fully functional version for a few days too....then is shuts down to a limited version if you don't buy the full license. I use it in the limited mode: it still trims, inserts silence and normalizes the waves AND converts to MP3 as well as a number of other formats.... plus.. you can see the wave you are working on to check it for compression levels and such.
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Beagle
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 08:15:09
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fiddlebuster
Probably beating a dead horse here but, having to pay extra for an mp3 encoder for a recording program in this day and time is just f@#$ing crap. should be included as standard in the software. But, that's not the bad part, before the message pop up It actually worked a couple of times. Lulling me into a false sense of accomplishment. I feel violated.... the bastards....
Sorry for the rant
I'll go play something appropriately sad now.
no, it's not crap to have to pay for it separately. you can export to wave files which are much higher quality than mp3's. the box never said you have a lifetime mp3 encoder and the number one reason you shouldn't get it in the box: you'd be paying for it for every update over and over again. if they included it in the box then they'd raise the price of MC (and Sonar) to cover that price that they're not getting for it separately. and they'd do that with every version, so those of us who upgrade would be paying for it every time we upgrade. also - your language violates the terms of use of the forum. please keep it family friendly.
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 14:13:26
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Like Beag said buying a MP3 encoder everytime you upgrade sucks, downloading a freebie is easy, and there are so many ways to do this. My personal reason for not using a built in MP3 encoder is to force me to always save as a wave file first, then to convert to compressed MP3 afterwards. Plus some of the stand alone convertors have more options.
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 17:07:53
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Here are some thread's and article links that show you how to export files directly from Cakewalk software using the FREE Lame .Mp3 encoding software. I thought this might help so I figured I would post it. This one is a bit old, but the pictures do help explain a lot : Using Lame With Cakewalk Software Also there's this info. that explains even more : Export .mp3 from Sonar This is probably the best, it goes into detail. Here's a thread link that has some interesting information on the subject that's here on these forums. Thread Link for info. click here Edited : "I just realized the link in that thread for downloading Lame is broken, here's one that is working Lame Download for Windows ", I'm sure there are others, that's just the first one I found on the search list. Hope this helps. Good luck! Bobby
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 21:19:40
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On a side note, I just wanted to applaud Cakewalk for allowing the option to start with, and giving a second option to buy.
I understand the licensing aspects and how it could cause my software purchase to be overpriced.
At least I have the option, that means a lot, and if you don't get it please understand that it's NOT SPAM, it's not SPYWARE, it's just the modern age of licensing software.
I wanna add to that, one thing that's real cool about adding the LAME export option to MC5 is that you have the option to save the .wav also. Meaning I can export both for future options instead of converting etc.......
Just my opinion. I hope this info. helped you, good luck, I'm no expert!
Bobby
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fiddlebuster
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 21:43:36
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Thank you for enlightening me on the facts. I never thought of it that way. I am not up on all of the intricacies of licensing and what not. Just a technonoob here but that makes sense i guess.
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/06 21:47:11
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fiddlebuster
Thank you for enlightening me on the facts. I never thought of it that way. I am not up on all of the intricacies of licensing and what not. Just a technonoob here but that makes sense i guess.
This stuff always confuses me also. I'm an old newbie, so I can see where your coming from on that. Good Luck! Bobby
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CakeMaker
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/07 18:34:58
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Yea absolutely!
If you had to pay for the MP3 Encoder that would really stink. It's better this way- it truly is. I know that if you are not involved in the industry or using it often, it seems like MP3's are free bu that technology is licensed and must be paid for ... It does not say that you get the encoder for free, and you don't. But as everyone has mentioned there are a bunch of ways to get it done including using higher quality .wav files or one of the actual free mp3 encoders and not the Fraunhofer one.
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/07 19:20:21
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/08 00:34:05
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CakeMaker
Yea absolutely!
If you had to pay for the MP3 Encoder that would really stink. It's better this way- it truly is. I know that if you are not involved in the industry or using it often, it seems like MP3's are free bu that technology is licensed and must be paid for ... It does not say that you get the encoder for free, and you don't. But as everyone has mentioned there are a bunch of ways to get it done including using higher quality .wav files or one of the actual free mp3 encoders and not the Fraunhofer one.
I get the fact that people are getting rich from licensing rights and stuff like that. They learned that from Bill Gates. The thing that ticks me off is when they more or less own a monopoly on certain things priority wise for publicizing software. That rules out options for my family, and yours depending on who you are. Just my opinion, Bobby
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Beagle
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/08 07:55:01
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there's not a true monopoly here bobby - this is a market driven standard. mp3s have been the choice that people have made. there are already other compression algorithms available but mp3 is what people chose to use.
anyone - including you - could create another compression algorithm and try to get people to use it instead of mp3. you could make yours open source so that no one has to pay for it.
but if no one choses to use it then there's nothing you can do about it. that doesn't make it a monopoly - that makes it a product of supply and demand in a democratic economy.
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/08 16:14:56
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Beagle
there's not a true monopoly here bobby - this is a market driven standard. mp3s have been the choice that people have made. there are already other compression algorithms available but mp3 is what people chose to use.
anyone - including you - could create another compression algorithm and try to get people to use it instead of mp3. you could make yours open source so that no one has to pay for it.
but if no one choses to use it then there's nothing you can do about it. that doesn't make it a monopoly - that makes it a product of supply and demand in a democratic economy.
Your absolutely right Reece. I should have made myself more clear on what I meant by that. My bad, I know I said software. But what I was thinking of at the time were these big chain stores that come into small towns and run the mom/pop businesses out of business. I'm not going to put a label on who that is, but I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. Somehow I managed to confuse the two with this topic. My bad. I was just flat out wrong with that comment.  Sorry to change the subject like that. Bobby
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Robomusic
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/09 01:24:55
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Just for the love of God stop vaporizing yourself man., it's down right disturbing.
Kind of like when you cat licks himself when the in-laws are over for dinner!
Wow did I say that out loud! Must have been the apple cider! wonderful stuff that apple cider!
(where it reads apple cider insert cadillac margarita!)
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/09 17:34:58
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Robomusic
Just for the love of God stop vaporizing yourself man., it's down right disturbing.
Kind of like when you cat licks himself when the in-laws are over for dinner!
Wow did I say that out loud! Must have been the apple cider! wonderful stuff that apple cider!
(where it reads apple cider insert cadillac margarita!)
Who and what are you talking to? Just because I'm being me and nice doesn't mean I'm on self destruct mode. That is if you are talking about me. Bobby
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Guitarhacker
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/09 18:50:17
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Your Avatar..... it keeps setting itself on fire obviously when it pulls the trigger on that ray gun, something malfunctions in the gun and he gets vaporized......
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Beagle
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/09 22:40:13
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bobby - he was joking with you about your avatar. chill. 
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RockingChair
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/01/15 13:07:21
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Beagle
bobby - he was joking with you about your avatar. chill.
I know Reece, I was kidding also. My Humor sometimes is misunderstood I guess. I really like Robomusic, he's given me a heck of a lot information as you have to help me in the past. Sorry for the confusion. I was making a joke, Bobby
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/02/04 20:10:10
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Yes I agree. Paying extra for the encoder just shows how unprofessional Cakewalk is in their operations. When I pay for a software I expect it to have the necessary items that are used today. Not at an extra cost. This is a bogus charge and whoever thought of it can be thanked for losing customers. I work in the idustry and I know alot of people who just want to set up little home studios to make quick demos to share amongs band mates . I will never recommend this software to no one just because of this. Cakewalk this action is deceitful caniving and utterly unwarranted. I am glad you feel that you can piss off your customers and hope to get them back
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Guitarhacker
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/02/04 20:14:47
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Did you bother to read the thread? I would guess from the post count of 1 that you do not have cake so go away.... you don't know what you are talking about. BTW: use a spell checker... it's >>> conniving 
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2011/02/04 21:05:36
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57Gregy
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/02/05 00:34:18
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The software works great. There are plenty of free mp3 encoders on the web. Some computers come with one already installed, like mine.
Besides, I didn't buy the software to make mp3s.
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Beagle
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/02/05 08:32:47
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Guitarhacker
Did you bother to read the thread?
I would guess from the post count of 1 that you do not have cake so go away.... you don't know what you are talking about.
BTW: use a spell checker... it's >>> conniving
this person made an account just to bash cakewalk over the mp3 encoder and whatever else, so reading the thread to find the real problems is not his agenda. troll is right. don't feed the trolls (oops, I just did!)
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chuckebaby
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/02/05 08:48:26
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Guitarhacker
Yeah... this is the one I love and use.... Wavepad click on teh GET IT NOW button and load it up.
It is free but it runs as a fully functional version for a few days too....then is shuts down to a limited version if you don't buy the full license.
I use it in the limited mode: it still trims, inserts silence and normalizes the waves AND converts to MP3 as well as a number of other formats.... plus.. you can see the wave you are working on to check it for compression levels and such.
thanks,ive been looking to get one
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CakeMaker
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/04/08 19:04:19
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Jeez,
Cervelo & Fiddlebuster and anyone whining about the MP3 encoding- don't you remember the Microsoft law suit? They were paying (or not paying) Fraunhofer (or some other company) when it was deemed that for their intents and purposes of using MP3, they should have been paying the other company. They had been giving away rights / use of MP3's and they were told that they can't do that. BAM! slapped with a 1.2 million fine (i dont know if that's the amount, but its in that ballpark).
People that say "it should just be there" are just wrong. It shouldn't just be there, and if you were the inventor of this piece of technology and it put food on your table- you'd most certainly feel differently. Most folks do not use MP3 encoding in their DAW. If you do, so be it- go get an MP3 encoder for yourself. The rest of us do NOT want to pay for it, that's all there is to it.
I'd like to say that lots of things "should just be there" but they're not. It's not free yet you seem to act like it is. It's the same ole argument that you get from peeps who feel music should be free too. They'd say: I don't care that you spent a year from start to finish on that song, that you poured your heart & soul into it. You wrote and rewrote and recorded and mixed and remixed and mastered. You were married to this song for a full year before releasing it and then someone downloads it and puts it up on Pirate Bay for the whole world to steal. No big deal, right???? You didn't really want to have dinner every nite did u? I'd like to see someone who steals music, have something important stolen from then- and you can bet your bippy there would be a different story.
Ohkies- nuff whine & cheese for tonite
C/M
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Beagle
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/04/08 19:38:32
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 Hi Cake! long time no see!
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Robomusic
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/04/11 11:58:06
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/04/11 18:42:12
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It's annoyingly common that kids don't understand, that if MP3 encoders can be downloaded for free, it does not mean someone can attach one to a commercial product for free just like that.
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/04/14 19:32:02
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Hi All,
I know how it can definitely be confusing - do you have any ideas on how we could present it better? If we simply improved the message on the 30-day dialog would that be enough? If you have any ideas please share or send me a PM.
Unfortunately we don't have the right to give it away for free and don't feel strongly about including in the price year after year especially given that its not something that everyone will use. For these (and a few other) we adopted the 'if you need it, buy it once and it will be forward compatible with future versions model'.
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Beagle
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Re:MP3 encoder
2011/04/14 19:54:38
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Willy - I think it would be a BIG help if there was a message that popped up stating how long you have left to use the mp3 encoder every time it's used. that way there are fewer surprises at the end of the 30 days.
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