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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/10 09:14:12
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Jim
You ever used this?
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/10 21:46:15
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That looks very interesting!
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/10 22:49:29
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The site threw me for a loop because it only had an 'upgrade' link. When I clicked it though I see that I qualify because I own a version of Kontakt and qualify for a competitive upgrade,which I'm guessing is a full copy?
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/11 11:58:29
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I was just wondering if anyone had used this and more importantly, has anyone any idea how third party libraries (ie Hollow Sun for instance) which were originally produced for Kontakt only I assume, would play in this?
Have to say it does look nice and of course has the massive advantage of NOT being a Native Instruments product!!!!!!!!
But even the "upgrade" is expensive, so want to find out as much as possible.
Thanks
Nigel
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/11 13:42:13
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Nigel,
Just a thought - did you try the MOTU instruments forums? There's one dedicated to Mach5.
I'm also curious about it.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/11 17:44:12
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Thanks for the heads up Jim. I was thinking about you a few minutes ago. I don't mean to hijack this thread so forgive me if this is "out of line" but one cannot help notice your presense here on the Cakewalk forums. You always seem helpful and available. I'm sure that Sonar is not the only product you use so the time you spend here is, by my at least, much appreciated and I am sure you get some business from being here and from helping. It gives me a hint that if I buy a computer from Studicat I will get really good CS... NOW, why I was thinking about you... and a question. Why is Studiocat not listed on the Cakewalk buy a DAW page? There are plenty of others that, frankly, I would trust less. Some may be a little cheaper but you have, with your presense here and your openness gained my trust. I would send you my hard drives and software codes if I buy a cmputer from you so that you could get everything installed, updated, and configured and I would be wiling to pay for that... but I DO NOT understand why your computers STUDIOCAT are not listed on the CW "but a DAW" page. I thought that maybe it was a money thing but I cannot imagine HP is paying CW to list their computers. Then again I could be wrong. If they have just nt bthered to put Studiocat on their page I will be emailing them and calling to ask them why SC is not listed. So... someone what is the deal? If this is a touchy question and is treading on touchy ground, tell me and I will delete this. Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks and thanks for letting us know about Mach Five 3, it looks interesting. Julien
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/11 20:40:39
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Hi Nigel,
I haven't used Mach 5 version 3...
I'll have a copy sometime in the next couple of weeks.
The competitive upgrade is $279 (not bad)
Does require an iLok
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 08:12:34
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Jim
I would love your opinion once you've got it and tried it.
My main concern is with all my third party software that I use in Kontakt.
Price is not too bad I suppose, but about $150 dollars MORE than what I just paid for my new (!!!!!!) Korg Poly 800.....
I have managed to pick up a couple of classic hardware synths recently for very little money (Kawai 5000S for 290 for instance) and not only am I having great fun already with these, there is no chance that they can be arbitrarily "dropped" by the manufacturer!
Sure they go wrong from time to time, but I'm looking at the repairs as like a software upgrade sort of thing!!
Keep well
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 09:58:58
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A bit more info on Mach 5 v3 The scripting is different than Kontakt (based on the Lua programming language) -The upside is that it's actually more advanced/flexible than KSP (and certainly better documented). -The downside - Mach 5 v3 can't load/play Kontakt libraries that use custom scripts The UVI Workstation (version 2 supports scripted intruments - available soon) will act as player for 3rd party libraries (similar to Kontakt Player). Several sound developers have very positive comments thus far...
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 11:40:15
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Does require an iLok You had my hopes raised until I read that. I would love to see a viable alternative to Kontakt, but at this stage of the game any vendor aspiring to be the Kontakt-killer would have to get very aggressive, both with pricing and features. It would have to be a sampler that could import Kontakt libraries and translate scripts (not as difficult as it sounds), be bundled with useful factory content, be dongle-less and sell for a hundred bucks.
That would take the world by storm and stand a chance of knocking Kontakt from its lofty perch. Anything less is doomed to be an also-ran.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 12:39:16
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Why is Studiocat not listed on the Cakewalk buy a DAW page? There are plenty of others that, frankly, I would trust less. Some may be a little cheaper but you have, with your presense here and your openness gained my trust. I would send you my hard drives and software codes if I buy a cmputer from you so that you could get everything installed, updated, and configured and I would be wiling to pay for that... but I DO NOT understand why your computers STUDIOCAT are not listed on the CW "but a DAW" page. I thought that maybe it was a money thing but I cannot imagine HP is paying CW to list their computers. Then again I could be wrong. If they have just nt bthered to put Studiocat on their page I will be emailing them and calling to ask them why SC is not listed. So... someone what is the deal? If this is a touchy question and is treading on touchy ground, tell me and I will delete this. Enquiring minds want to know. FWIW, I'm pretty sure the Cakewalk staff knows of my work.  I've been a Cakewalk user since the Compuserve Forum days... and I have a fairly extensive track record. Not sure why we're not listed... but I'm confident it has nothing to do with quality... and there's no "bad blood". I can tell you that we've been in contact with Roland in regards to building their Music Lab DAWs. If that works out, perhaps we'll be added to the list. 
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 13:04:49
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I would love to see a viable alternative to Kontakt, but at this stage of the game any vendor aspiring to be the Kontakt-killer would have to get very aggressive, both with pricing and features. It would have to be a sampler that could import Kontakt libraries and translate scripts (not as difficult as it sounds), be bundled with useful factory content, be dongle-less and sell for a hundred bucks. That would take the world by storm and stand a chance of knocking Kontakt from its lofty perch. Anything less is doomed to be an also-ran. Hi Bit, Good points... I really didn't expect Motu (Mach 5) to step-up and try to seriously challange Kontakt. Seeing some video of Mach 5 v3, I'm anxious to checkout the possibilities. The Tele demos sound good. The integrated synth capabilities are also cool. I just bought the Komplete 8 upgrade (haven't even broken the seal). I'm thinking about returning it. Other than the latest version of Kontakt (latest scripting capabilities), there's just not much new/exciting (compared to Komplete 7). IMO, Native Instruments could really use some Kompetition. Not that I want them to fail... Just like to see some renewed focus/development. Losing B4, tying vintage compressors to Guitar Rig, discontinuing Kore 2, etc.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 13:27:19
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Jim Roseberry
I really didn't expect Motu (Mach 5) to step-up and try to seriously challange Kontakt.
I'm having a hard time thinking who else/better could challenge NI. The dongle is a no-go for me, but I know it isn't for a lot of folks.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 14:05:40
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Jim Roseberry
I really didn't expect Motu (Mach 5) to step-up and try to seriously challange Kontakt.
I'm having a hard time thinking who else/better could challenge NI.
The dongle is a no-go for me, but I know it isn't for a lot of folks.
I had high hopes for Garritan when they bought the rights to Gigastudio. but they've been ominously quiet about it ever since the announcement they bought it.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/12 20:43:56
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I'm having a hard time thinking who else/better could challenge NI. Presonus? Cockos?
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/27 17:58:03
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I should have Mach 5 v3 tomorrow...
I'm anxious to get it installed... and checkout some of the scripting capabilites.
If the disk-streaming and CPU use are efficient, I'll assemble a new library for it.
Unlike with NI/Kontakt... the player will be free... *and* no massive up-front fees for the developers.
Scripting is also said to be more advanced/complete
The cross-grade price isn't too bad.
Depending on performance, I might also wind up using M5v3 live.
With the integrated synth engines, it has the potential to be a singular complete solution.
Here's hoping it works well...
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/27 21:01:52
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Will be illuminating to hear your take on this Jim, ol pal. Me, I just don't trust ol MOTU.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/27 21:15:28
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Will be illuminating to hear your take on this Jim, ol pal. Me, I just don't trust ol MOTU. I understand... FWIW, The UVI engine (underlying technology) isn't MOTU.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/28 06:04:10
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Jim Roseberry
I really didn't expect Motu (Mach 5) to step-up and try to seriously challange Kontakt.
I'm having a hard time thinking who else/better could challenge NI.
NI are doing a pretty good job at challenging themselves these days I listened to the Retro Machines 2 package at a friend's studio and he had it installed for about 10 minutes... What a load of trash - but the GUI's are so buooooooooooooootiful - not a pixel out of place.... There's a few of us scratching our heads trying to figure out just who's doing the thinking at NI these days.. I love Kontakt and the new EQ's,filters and comps in K5 are great,but it's not a synth - it's a sample playback engine and it's not the right platform for drums either... Toontrack Superior is THE drum throne as far as I am concerned,but NI are trying to tell us it's Studio Drummer banging away inside of Kontakt 5..... That's only because they want to give Battery the flick and the're warming us up to that with SD.... But just wait for the Studio Drummer Add-on Packs folks...They'll be coming down the pipe soon We know that NI are trying to save on development costs and squeeze all of the $$$oundpacks into a few engines (Kontakt,Reaktor and Maschine),but with the really dumb ideas that they've been coming up with,I've moved away from NI because their "vision" of the future of sound is definitely not in line with where I'm going.. Who wants to buy their Softtube compressors only to have to load them in the Guitar Rig engine to use them...Wow...That's really smart....Who came up with that brilliant idea ? The only NI program I am using now apart from B4 is Kontakt - because it is a solid and excellent sample playback engine.. Hats off to them for that one because at this stage - it is the best one out there,with some great 3rd party libraries - many with NI's name on them I have ported a few things over to ARIA and hope for good things,but it needs a lot more development to make it really workable... Mach Five 3 does look promising and I'd even buy an i-Pox if it's turns out to be the saviour for those of us who feel that the DJ's and Spin Mesiters at NI have taken over the development and hijacked the debate in Berlin... But let's not fool ourselves..There's not one Maschine that can do everything...Even with those filters and synth engines inside Mach Five 3,in all honesty,we would probably reach for one of our favourite soft synths to add a little more flavour to the mix... God knows that we've all got too many of those in our toolboxes - but there's not a single NI synth in mine these days Any one of Rene's creations - or even his progeny - would be a great choice...Gotta love that open source sfz format....Also the ability to drop waveforms in there is brilliant...Excellent synth engines right there... So Jim - I'd be really interested in your thoughts on the New Big Mach because I have read your comments on these forums and I respect your opinions... Please let us all know what you're thinking after you've given it a spin for a few days...we'll be waiting 
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/28 15:28:06
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Acoustic Samples are relasing Mach 5 versions of their products. If it is going to be a Kontakt killer it needs more third party developers to join them
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/28 15:35:58
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Yeah, saw the announcement this morning. Was a bit (pleasantly) surprised to see one jumping in and supporting M5 already. Lets cross our fingers that the rest of them follow.
I am guessing that most of those guys are aware that a lot of people aren't satisfied w/ NI and would gladly give up on them.
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/09/29 10:43:55
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Very early first impressions:
Some of the included instruments are very nice.
The electric piano is particularly good.
The disk-streaming is not in the same league as Kontakt (not nearly as efficient).
It's probably good enough for most purposes... but I can hit the sustain pedal, gliss up-and-down the keyboard, and cause the audio stream to glitch. Granted, this is working at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size.
I haven't done any tweaks to Mach-5, so it might get better (I hope so).
Due to background loading and lossless compressed samples, Kontakt loads libraries a LOT faster.
More to come...
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Re:Mach 5 version 3 (with scripting)
2011/10/01 01:16:24
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Yes sir...The mechanics at NI have done an excellent job with Kontakt... The new EQs and Comps in K5 are great and the sound engine is testament to solid German engineering and efficiency... Now if only NI would allow 3rd party VSTs to be loaded and provide us with the option of a full screen view... And give us a Mix environment like there was in Gigastudio 3
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