johnbalich
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Macintosh
just bought a new Mac Pro. Can I run sonar x3?????......downloaded the x3 files........clicked on part one .exe and Mac says unable to open program help!
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Jimbo 88
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/23 17:40:25
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Yep, sorry. Sonar will not run on a Mac unless you use BootCamp or find away to run Windows apps on a Mac.
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johnbalich
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/23 17:43:14
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Boot camp..........is this third party software?
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/23 21:09:14
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Boot Camp is a feature of the Mac OS. Do a search. Basically, you partition part of your hard drive and install Windows (so you need a copy of Windows). Macs use Intel, and Boot Camp basically turns your Mac into a Windows machine. Cakewalk doesn't support it officially but I've been told Sonar runs very well on it.
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Keni
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/23 21:31:05
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Sonar runs great under Bootcamp... You'll need a copy of win7 pro as well as a pair of separate drives. One to format as win7 and the other for a windows audio drive... I'm told that you can run it within the Mac OS if you're using parallels instead of Bootcamp, but I've heard of some issues... I have my Mac Pro booting into windows by default and the only issue I've found is that the DVD drive open key on the keyboard doesn't work so I must manually open the drive from explorer... Other than that I totally forget it's a Mac, but have a dual Xeon quad system running Sonar!
Btw... I forgot to mention that Bootcamp comes with the Mac OS...
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slartabartfast
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/24 06:29:16
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Kenny, why do you need Windows Pro to run Sonar under bootcamp. Will the home versions not work? They will certainly run Sonar under native windows.
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Keni
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/24 12:13:17
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You may be right, but it seems that other people I've chatted with had difficulty doing so and I don't know if it was due to the difference... Same for using separate drives... Instructions claim you can partition a drive to do this but everyone I know who has tried to do so failed... I know first hand that it works well with pro and separate drives...
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 05:44:27
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I thought the point of buying a Mac was mostly using OSX. Otherwise it's just a very very expensive Windows box.
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 07:19:20
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Sanderxpander
I thought the point of buying a Mac was mostly using OSX. Otherwise it's just a very very expensive Windows box.
+1 Exactly my thought. Can someone explain why one would want to buy a mac if the plan is to only use windows on it? I'm confused 😖
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Keni
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 11:59:33
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Well... Honestly I inherited mine, but I can give you a good reason...
Do you know of many multi processor windows machines on the market? I found a few, but none are as widely used and tested...
...and on the less important side, it gives me a Mac for the rare occasions when I want/need one...
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 12:07:08
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Keni
Well... Honestly I inherited mine, but I can give you a good reason...
Do you know of many multi processor windows machines on the market? I found a few, but none are as widely used and tested...
That's every single one of them. Mac and PC's. Both Mac and PC run on Intel. Of course there is more choice with PC (and it is cheaper). Don't get me wrong Macs are great machines as well, but with Mac you are buying into the OS. For me there doesn't seem to be much difference between Windows and OSX unless there is specific software you wish to run, so it's a personal decision as to which path you take. The idea that Mac is more reliable than PC is sadly a myth, plenty of buggy Mac's out there as well as PC's. Mostly it's down to how they are configured. They are all pretty much the same thing in my book.
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lawp
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 12:08:34
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How's latency affected by running on bootcamp?
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 12:30:27
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It shouldn't really do anything to latency at all since it's basically a boot manager and lets Windows boot natively.
Same as installing a boot manager on a Windows machine and running OSX, really.
I'm with Alex on the multi CPU thing, multicore is from the software POV the same thing and if for some reason you really do want multiple individual CPUs they really are not that hard to come by. Plenty of off the shelf boards available. Just because it's not popular in cheap consumer systems doesn't mean it isn't "widely used or tested".
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 12:37:46
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If a Mac's BIOS wasn't altered to prevent direct install of Windows, you could just install Windows like any other PC.
Bootcamp is akin to iTunes... in that it gives control to Apple.
We've talked to many folks who've purchased dual-Xeon machines that are slower than a much less expensive 4930k (12 virtual cores) based DAW.
Research before you pull the trigger...
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 12:40:53
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Sanderxpander
It shouldn't really do anything to latency at all since it's basically a boot manager and lets Windows boot natively.
Same as installing a boot manager on a Windows machine and running OSX, really.
Bootcamp is nothing more than a controlled Boot Manager. The system at that point *is* a PC. Bootcamp has absolutely no effect on audio latency. Audio latency has but two sources: - Audio interface
- Latent plugins
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 12:53:02
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It's pretty weird for them to exercise this kind of control anyway, since OSX is cheap and the Mac hardware expensive. If people have already invested in the hardware I don't really see the point of them needing to take one more step to install Windows.
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Keni
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 14:18:20
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I hope I wasn't misunderstood...
The machine has two quad core processors...
I know of a couple of windows based pc's made for video work that support dual processor and even one machine that calmed to run 8 processors.... Each of them multi core...
The CPU power of the Mac Pro with dual Xeon quad core processors is quite a machine...
I can work with either OS... For me it's more a matter of which one runs the software I prefer (for the most part) and as I prefer Sonar, I use it as a windows machine... I have a few other pc's as well as an old Mac laptop (used exclusively as a jukebox), an older iPad, and an older iPod touch... I love/hate all of them! ;-)
BTW... I can actually run reasonable projects at a 1.5ms latency...
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lawp
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 14:44:24
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Thanks for the info, haven't tried it and was assuming it was like wine... Bit like the hd connectors that are only made different so you have to buy an apple hd... Grrrrr etc
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Macintosh
2014/04/25 20:07:16
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Keni, you are completely understood and multi processor systems are easy to get on Windows, even if not often sold as consumer systems. Again, these are off the shelf mobo's. That said, from the OS POV it doesn't matter if a core is physical or virtual and as Jim Rosenberry pointed out, it's quite possible to get better performance from a single fast chip with many virtual cores.
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