Making Bass drum sound bigger / fatter

I am trying to beef up some drum sounds , BD, SNARES to compete with the going HIP HOP music. Should I run the Bass drum through something like a L1 limiter and then compress it?

Personally, I get no satisfaction from that plugin but Blipp and :10: use it with great success.
My trick for phatter bass kicks is to layer multiple samples. If you're using Velocity, then throw your first sample into a cell and then try and find another bass kick that has what the other kick lacks. If your first selection has some nice higher-end pumping going on, and a pronounced attack then try and find another sample that maybe only has lower end prominence and can "move some air". Sometimes it takes three samples. The key is to playback your kick loop to audition them whilst tweaking each cell's TUNE knob. That dials each sample's frequency to a more compatible harmonic with the other bass kick sample.

THEN COMPRESS IT.

80 Hz

have a good one
3Eo

80 Hz

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If you're using Velocity, then throw your first sample into a cell and then try and find another bass kick that has what the other kick lacks. If your first selection has some nice higher-end pumping going on, and a pronounced attack then try and find another sample that maybe only has lower end prominence and can "move some air". Sometimes it takes three samples.

"Please"... Don't even waste your time. That works "but" to often it's just a waste of time because it'll never be quite the right sound.
If your looking for phat Hip Hop beats similar to what the MPC 2000xl puts out, go to modernbeats.com.... Don't event waste your time trying to tweak with Velocity. Go get those samples I guarantee you won't need to tweak'em unless you just want to for kicks or somethin".
I just bought the drumkit titled "Drumbeats phatta than yo momma" CD.
As far as Hip Hop, RnB, Jazz I promise you, you won't need nothin else.
"Oh" and don't event sleep on the phattest software synth Plugin around for this genre of music. The Korg Legacy Collection Analog and Digital are the phattest I've heard so far.
Professional music artist credits from: Kanye West, Jay-Z, P-Diddy, Master P, Snoop Dogg, JayZ, Fat Joe, Lil' Kim, NAS, Jada Kiss, Raekwon, Lil Jon, Universal, ESPN, Fox, Coca-Cola, Nike.

Yo, 10

Thanks for recommending Demension Pro. It blends perfectly with my Jazz compositions.
So far, I don't think there's anything better for that selection of music.

ORIGINAL: hardknocklife

If you're using Velocity, then throw your first sample into a cell and then try and find another bass kick that has what the other kick lacks. If your first selection has some nice higher-end pumping going on, and a pronounced attack then try and find another sample that maybe only has lower end prominence and can "move some air". Sometimes it takes three samples.

"Please"... Don't even waste your time. That works "but" to often it's just a waste of time because it'll never be quite the right sound.
If your looking for phat Hip Hop beats similar to what the MPC 2000xl puts out, go to modernbeats.com.... Don't event waste your time trying to tweak with Velocity. Go get those samples I guarantee you won't need to tweak'em unless you just want to for kicks or somethin".
I just bought the drumkit titled "Drumbeats phatta than yo momma" CD.
As far as Hip Hop, RnB, Jazz I promise you, you won't need nothin else.
"Oh" and don't event sleep on the phattest software synth Plugin around for this genre of music. The Korg Legacy Collection Analog and Digital are the phattest I've heard so far.
Professional music artist credits from: Kanye West, Jay-Z, P-Diddy, Master P, Snoop Dogg, JayZ, Fat Joe, Lil' Kim, NAS, Jada Kiss, Raekwon, Lil Jon, Universal, ESPN, Fox, Coca-Cola, Nike.

I don't consider it a waste of my time. Hardly. In under 10 minutes I've got a nice sounding kick (at least in my opinion) that I crafted MYSELF in Velocity without resorting to a "canned" bunch of loops off some CD.
What's my thing doesn't have to be your thing. But no need to call my methods a waste of time. Some people prefer to make music and not "drag n' drop" it.

Why don't you try the NY compression technique.

Get A Rope!

have a good one
3Eo

And your meaning is....?

It's a joke. A homegrown picante sauce company (Pace) in San Antonio, Tx & surrounding areas used to run these commercials. In the commercials there were a bunch of cowboys sittin' around a campfire and Cowboy 1 says, "This stuffs made in New York City", All the Cowboys respond, "New York City". Cowboy 2 says "Get A Rope!" Cause their gonna hang the chuckwagon cook for giving them salsa made in New York City. Now the irony is that Pace sold out to somebody in New York.

Brian, I meant nothing else by it and am grateful for the Bdrum/Vocal engineering technique.

have a good one
3Eo

ORIGINAL: three_eyed_otter

And your meaning is....?

It's a joke. A homegrown picante sauce company (Pace) in San Antonio, Tx & surrounding areas used to run these commercials. In the commercials there were a bunch of cowboys sittin' around a campfire and Cowboy 1 says, "This stuffs made in New York City", All the Cowboys respond, "New York City". Cowboy 2 says "Get A Rope!" Cause their gonna hang the chuckwagon cook for giving them salsa made in New York City. Now the irony is that Pace sold out to somebody in New York.

Brian, I meant nothing else by it and am grateful for the Bdrum/Vocal engineering technique.

have a good one
3Eo

It wasn't for Wolf Brand Chili? Oh well, it doesn't matter. All I remember is the "New York City?!?!?!... Get a rope!!" LOL!! You can tell I'm from Texas too

They mean, "Mix the concrete."

now that is funny. and that was a great technique offered by Brian. now could someone explain the difference between a fat and a skinny bass drum to me <g>

i work with a guy who spent 9 formative years in Brooklyn and i believe NY compression may refer to the fact that more words get spoken per unit of time with more emotional force than in other parts of the North American continent

It's used all over the world. But, I believe in one of Mastering books one the engineers refered to the compression technique as NY as its was started there.

- Brian

think were a bunch of hicks!

Trying being from Texas well before GWB killed the amore.

have a good one
3Eo

ORIGINAL: Battlecats

I've read that some of the big name hiphop producers will have a standard 808 or 909 kick that use for bottom end in almost every track, while the kicks they layer on top will vary from track to track

I have also read that too. Use a normal sample and layer it with a sine wave at a low frequency. A program like Sound Forge can render any frequency.

- Brian