Making Bus Sends Pre FX Bin?

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2013/06/17 08:57:00 (permalink)

Making Bus Sends Pre FX Bin?

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I know I can switch the sends to be pre- or post- fade, but is it possible to make the sends pre- FX bin. The signal flow diagram in the documentation shows them as post.
 
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    Re: Making Bus Sends Pre FX Bin? 2013/06/17 10:08:05 (permalink)
    You're right: the fx bin is always in the signal path; only the volume control can be bypassed. 
     
    If you want, say, a dry send for a headphone cue mix, you therefore have to avoid track inserts, or at least bypass them temporarily while tracking.
     
    This isn't really a problem, at least not normally. It's one reason we use busses for reverbs and delays rather than inserting them directly into a track.


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    Re: Making Bus Sends Pre FX Bin? 2013/06/17 10:48:10 (permalink)
    Thanks bitflipper... Yeah it's not the worst thing in the world, but because I'm using a full orchestral setup with several different sample libraries, I have LOADS of buses as it is for room placement. For example, the trumpet buses (not including tracks / Kontakt outputs) are:
     
    - TRUMPETS [VSL]
    - TRUMPETS [FANFARE]
    - TRUMPETS [PROJECT SAM]
    - TRUMPETS Early Reflections
    - TRUMPETS Late Reflections
    - TRUMPETS MIX
     
    What I really wanted to do was place a delay on the first 3 buses (to simulate distance from the mic position: 1ft = 1ms and all that nonsense), without affecting their sends to the early and late reflection reverb buses. I'll just have to add another summing bus after the first 3 to put the delay on... It'll just add another 24 or so buses to the template - not a problem, I just like elegant solutions and this seems like a workaround! Never mind! :)
     
    Thanks for the help!
     
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    Re: Making Bus Sends Pre FX Bin? 2013/06/17 14:09:54 (permalink)
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    ... It'll just add another 24 or so buses to the template - not a problem :)
     

    That's the spirit!
     
    "Just" add another 24 busses ...my goodness, you sure put a lot of thought into reverb.
     
    So the idea is that the "close" group gets a short delay separate from the reverb sends? Wouldn't that make it possible for your "late" reflections to arrive before the direct sound?
     


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    Re: Making Bus Sends Pre FX Bin? 2013/06/18 03:06:51 (permalink)
    bitflipper"Just" add another 24 busses ...my goodness, you sure put a lot of thought into reverb.

     
    For someone who has Nyquist as their signature, I would hope for some solidarity from a fellow pedant
     
    bitflipperSo the idea is that the "close" group gets a short delay separate from the reverb sends? Wouldn't that make it possible for your "late" reflections to arrive before the direct sound?

     
    I separate the early reflections from the reverb tail, and apply different ER/LR values for each orchestra section. This is then complicated by the fact that I mix separate sample libraries (which often require different ER/LR setups, depending on how wet/dry they were recorded). The direct sound I delay by 1ms per foot, but I always make sure the direct delay is less than the ER or LR predelay.
     
    :)
     
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