Making "guitar" based tracks in P5

I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses P5 with guitars so how about a few clues to the guys and gals who'd like to make P5 guitar songs,

Here's a run down of how I do it (there are probably lots of other ideas, lets hear them).

1: Program the recod button so that it can be triggered from a midi device. I use the sustain pedal on my keyboard.
2: Get a riff you like, us the tap button to get P5 to about the right tempo
3: Set up a simple drum track, I usually just drag a drum loop from the explore view into the groove matrix.
4: Setup an audio track, monitor the input your guitar is on and add a amp sim or what ever effects you want. Set the audio track to record mode (hit the little red button on the track, but don't record yet)
5. 1 : Method one. Set the drum loop going and play your riff in time, over and over again. Once you've got it going and are happy hit the record swicth (my sustain pedal) and record the riff a number of times. Once your hapy hit stop. Now go to the audio and slip edit it until you find the take you like start to finish. Hit CTRL-L to groove loop it and drag it into the groove matrix

5.2: Method 2. Set the loop points to the length of the riff you are going to play. so if you have a two loop riff set the loop points to that length. hit play and get the drum loop going. As with 5.1 hit the record switch when ready. Hit stop after a number of loops.
Project 5 will have created a number of track layers for each recording of the loop, find the one you like, (use the mute) and groove loop it and drag into the groove matrix.


Thats the basic setup. Next thing to do is to either record other instruments, or record guitar parts for the chorus, middle 8, opening, and closing using the above method. Once you've got them, do the same for bass and vocals.

With everything in the groove matrix, you can either dracg and drop them on to the arange view and streach them out to create a song structure, or use the record groove matrix function and do it that way. There you, basic song.


Other ideas anyone ?

Andy

Yeah...it's a PITA to try and record audio (e.g. guitsar) improvisation in P5V2. This is my one disappointment with an otherwise great program. I covered most of my concerns in another thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=474963&mpage=1&key=񳾽

Truth be told, I find it onerous to try and record guitar in P5V2. My workaround is to slave P5V2 to Live with rewire. Then I have the best of both worlds - P5V2 midi with its arpegiator and softh synths and LIve for its clip ability in audio and routing flexibility.

I'm still hoping that P5V2.? will improve the ability to point to clips inside of larger audio segments with out the steps you outlined.

In the mean time I think your work flow is the only way to go inside P5V2.

Dan

Have any of you guys found a way to pull your recently recorded, split and groove looped audio clips into the groove matrix without hitting stop? I am looking for a way to keep the groove rolling while recording and so far haven't been able to discover a way to use that audio bass or guitar line in the groove matrix without hitting the breaks on the tune.

Is this even possible?

Just to hijack this a little Are there any good tutorials for getting some nice chunky riffs with sampled guitars? I would like to make some more industrial stuff and have the Monzter Guitars sampleset, as well as the Vintaudio Electric guitar sets, but despite my best efforts, the riffs I come up with sound either weak, lame or just plain crap Any tips?

Muchas gracias!

5.2: Method 2. Set the loop points to the length of the riff you are going to play. so if you have a two loop riff set the loop points to that length. hit play and get the drum loop going. As with 5.1 hit the record switch when ready. Hit stop after a number of loops.
Project 5 will have created a number of track layers for each recording of the loop, find the one you like, (use the mute) and groove loop it and drag into the groove matrix.

I've been using this method. I've been doing mainly guitar track songs. Using P5 as SONAR junior on steroids. I'm probably doing everything totally opposite of the way someone pitched the idea of P5 to the guys in the boardroom.

ORIGINAL: Mod Bod

Only problems I ran into is I broke a string and ran out of beer.

Did you report this bug to the proper authorities?

Nick!!! Nick!!! We have a problem here on aisle 5!!! Broken string and lack of beer!!

I hope this is fixed in V3

What I want to do... is .. I play guitar and piano...and sing. I want to be able to record my songs vocal and guitar into project 5 and add more music such aas drums base and the like wwith it..

Hi Jim,

Depends what you want to do with P5. If you want to play a guitar and sing at the same time and record both then P5 is frankly not for you. At the moment P5 is limited to one stereo in at a time (a resonable restriction given what it's designed to do) so you'd need to record your Guitar (or acoustic Piano) and then go back and record the vocals after.

So first up, am I right in saying you want to record both guitar/piano and vocals at the same time ?

Andy

Andy do you mind if I add this to the p5 wiki? ...

Please do, it's late over here so I'd probably make a hash of it if tried right now...

Andy

T HE ANSWER TO THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS YES.
I LIKE MILLION.
TURN OFF YOU'RE CAPS LOCK.

Andy do you mind if I add this to the p5 wiki? ... unless of course you've the time to add it yourself ...

I've added it now to the workflow section

Andy

Hi Jim, welcome to the forum!

First of all did you make it to the Project 5 "Music Perspired" Demo at Guitar Center on Westheimer Monday nite (June 13th)? If you had, you would've seen "West Coast Product Specialist" Michael Prager using Project 5 to record on Guitar a jam based on ELP's "From The Begining" (and very nicely done I might add ). Now if only we can get him to post it at Project 5 dot com (you knew i was gonna say that Mike!).

I use Sonar PE 4, Live 4.13, Tracktion, Acid 4, Sound Forge 7.0b, and I've been using Project 5 Ver 2 for a short while and it's now my preferred method of recording guitar.

Where are you at in Houston BTW? If you try the demo here. I think you will be suitably impressed. If not, I'd like to know what it was you found lacking. I don't think the Dimension synth is included on the demo but the piano on the DS-864 should cover the piano parts you want to record untill you get the full version...

Don't be a stranger here

Andy, Shawn, Kenneth, and Dave!!! Great Ideas!!!

ORIGINAL: MurderDethKill

I use Sonar PE 4, Live 4.13, Tracktion, Acid 4, Sound Forge 7.0b, and I've been using Project 5 Ver 2 for a short while and it's now my preferred method of recording guitar.

Tell me more. I'm not impressed with P5V2 as a guitarist's tool. Don't get me wrong. I own P5V2 and there is much I love about it - the arpegiator, Dimension, overall midi manipulation, the other soft synths and Device Chains - but I am finding it either lacking or onerous in my style of guitar recording.

I'd love to hear more about your experience. Right now I am finding Live my best bet for audio and P5V2 my best bet for midi. In fact, lately my de facto set-up has been P5V2 rewired into Live. But I am always open to new ideas.

And Please, Please, Please (for the casual observer) this is NOT an invitation to start a flame war over which program is better. I am simply trying get new ideas and workflows.

Dan

ORIGINAL: jamester
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