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2013/06/29 01:41:29 (permalink)

Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer

From my Cakewalk account;
Sonar X2 Producer Parts 1-4 are being stopped from saving download as Malicious Software.
"W32/Delf.N.gen!Eldorado" is being detected as Malicious Software Infection.
 
"W32/Delf.N.gen!Eldorado" Adware is any software package which automatically plays, displays, or downloads advertisements to a computer.
 
I haven't attempted to prevent my system protection from ignoring this yet because I don't know enough about exactly what it is and why it's
being detected inside my files at my Cakewalk account.
 
Can anybody explain why Sonar X2.exe has that Malicious Adware Infection contained in it?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
post edited by spacey - 2013/06/29 01:58:33
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:33:30 (permalink)
It is most likely a false report. There are md5 hash values associated with the files in the links at the bottom of the install instructions. You can use a tool like WinMD5Free to validate the files before installing them.
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:47:49 (permalink)
WTF?
 
So everybody has to get a tool like WinMD5free and validate the files from their Cakewalk account to
deal with false reports? BS
 
How can you validate and install files that are prevented from downloading to save in the first place?
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:49:44 (permalink)
what kind of anti virus are you using?
 
 

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:51:45 (permalink)
Is it possible nothing is going to happen when you save it, its more concerned with when you install it ?
 
 
you can do what you want, but if it makes you feel any better spacey, ive never had this warning nor have I ever downloaded anything from the cakewalk account that had this type of virus alert.
 

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:53:00 (permalink)
Forget my question.
I sent the issue in to support and then asked if they could tell me
when whatever it is they are going to offer will be offered - that I'd rather
wait another 6 months for it than to deal with this crap. Done with X2.
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:54:03 (permalink)
what kind of anti virus are you using ?

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:54:07 (permalink)
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Is it possible nothing is going to happen when you save it, its more concerned with when you install it ?




I thought I was pretty clear;
It won't save. My protection detects the issue and prevents saving the file.
 
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:58:24 (permalink)
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Forget my question.
I sent the issue in to support and then asked if they could tell me
when whatever it is they are going to offer will be offered - that I'd rather
wait another 6 months for it than to deal with this crap. Done with X2.
 


I know your upset man.
but just think, what if it turns out to be nothing ?
then its not crap your dealing with at all.
it could be your antivirus, I just did a search on this and only 2 antiviruses are showing this as an issue.
both ive never heard of.
 
some programs can be very helpful.
like the sonar x2 export to soundcloud.
yet some anti virus look at this as adware.
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 02:59:24 (permalink)
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WTF?
 
So everybody has to get a tool like WinMD5free and validate the files from their Cakewalk account to
deal with false reports? BS
 
How can you validate and install files that are prevented from downloading to save in the first place?


When possible it is a good practice to validate downloads for a variety of reasons. The people at Cakewalk were kind enough to generate the md5 hash values. Use them or don't that is your call. The fact that you have a piece of software on your machine that claims to have an issue with these files might be the source of what you call BS. The only thing preventing you from downloading the files is you. Of course, you have other options such as contacting the vendors and discuss it with them.
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 03:00:39 (permalink)
System Mechanic Pro is one of two is was talking about.
 
one of 2 of a 100 different anti viruses.
 
ill be clear too, I was trying to help
 
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 03:06:07 (permalink)
Thanks for the help.
 
Options. I knew I was missing something. I've picked one.
 
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 03:32:03 (permalink)
Hmm... System Mechanic 6 Pro Amazon reviews:
5 star = 15
4 star = 9
3 star = 3
2 star = 3
1 star = 47
 
I generally take reviews with a grain of salt, but this looks a bit lopsided...
 

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 03:50:02 (permalink)
Jeff M.
Hmm... System Mechanic 6 Pro Amazon reviews:
5 star = 15
4 star = 9
3 star = 3
2 star = 3
1 star = 47
 
I generally take reviews with a grain of salt, but this looks a bit lopsided...
 




Reviews....
The last time I was pointed to a review was earlier today...to one that was from 2011 about
equipment I didn't use.
The number of stars I give it is what's important to me.
 
All evening downloading, installing and validating/activating software and not one single issue
and then after deciding to try X2a and give it another chance on a new PC and I have to ask what is going
on and jump through loops...spending more time dealing with weird stuff.
Leave it to Cake to have the only method that requires System Mechanic to be shutdown before files
can be saved.
 
You know...sometimes you get something in your life that just doesn't fit. May not be bad. May be it's
fine for everybody you talk to but for whatever reasons it will just never perform or "fit" into your life.
For the last 3 years- since X1 in 2010 it's just been tuff...I feel like I've been in the ring with somebody
that I just can't knock out and maybe it's time to take a fall. Maybe one of the best things that could have
happened, happened tonight.
 
I do appreciate the help and understanding.
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 06:35:17 (permalink)
If I'm not mistaken I think the instructions say you may need to disable your antivirus software during download/installation to prevent this from happening. But I could be wrong.
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 06:42:34 (permalink)
System Mechanic, the name says it all, i would get rid of that do-it-all-fix-it-all crap and get some better malware protection
 
the problem isn't Cakewalks install files, its your methods, your crap SM, and your attitude
 
soens makes a good point, did you even bother to read this BEFORE you downloaded the trial?...
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/pages/x2_download_installation_instructions.aspx
 
1. Get rid of SM, 47 1 star ratings shoud not be ignored, to say "The number of stars I give it is what's important to me" is just plain arrogant
2. Save your money, maybe give MSSE at try, it works here for my malware protection
3. Download your files, note the MD5 hash values, Cakewalk provides them for a very good reason
4. Follow the advise above about downloading WinMD5Free, would it not be worth your time to take a few minutes to verify that the files you spent half the night downloading are not corrupt?
 
if your'e "Done with X2" then that's a good thing, the less people shooting themselves in the foot and complaining about the gun the better, who would want Deputy Droop-a-Long for a contemporary anyway?
post edited by Tweakberry - 2013/06/29 06:52:21
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 07:42:53 (permalink)
Tweakberry, that post was just uncalled for.
Spacey's a good guy that just happens to have 'computer issues'...
He likes to throw them.
Computers irritate him.
I understand this.
I share that feeling, I just don't throw them...

So please, if you cannot be helpful......
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 07:59:50 (permalink)
 
All last month Malwarebytes threw a warning every time I clicked a link on this forum.
 
I looked in the source code and couldn't find which little active server function was triggering it so I gave up.
 
The warning dialog flagged an I.P. address and the source code was a URL so reconciling which one was the bad guy was too much work for an end user.
 
I elected to believe it was from was some sort of third party tracker function that was benign in this instance but associated with other not so benign instances.
 
I didn't bother making a comment because it seems like this is the new normal.
 
 
Stay strong Spacey! I've been assembling a collection of free standing 64bit VST plugins this month so that no matter where I land something will seem familiar.
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 08:00:55 (permalink)
Often, legitimate programers will use the same code that is used by hackers, or is that the other way around.... either way, the same code ..or similar code is used. The things that the malware can do is used for legitimate purposes much more often.
 
So a sensitive setting on a malware/virus detector can trigger a false alarm.
 
If you bought Sonar X1 from Cakewalk, and it's a legit version I would not fear letting it install itself.
 
If however, it was a cracked version or bootleg version..... well, you get what you deserve.

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 10:21:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrypettit 2013/06/29 11:24:33
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Tweakberry, that post was just uncalled for.
Spacey's a good guy that just happens to have 'computer issues'...
He likes to throw them.
Computers irritate him.
I understand this.
I share that feeling, I just don't throw them...

So please, if you cannot be helpful......



ya well i work with software developers who have users that do the same the OP does, software developers have mouths to feed just like the rest of us, and to present false information, when the problem is the users own methods, is just plain wrong, that is far more uncalled for than anything i said to the OP
 
how can claiming a product is infected with malware, in the title of this thread, in this public forum, before he had his facts straight, be such a defendable position here?
 
"Can anybody explain why Sonar X2.exe has that Malicious Adware Infection contained in it?"
 
i'm sure he's a great guy, were all great guys until we get a bug up our butts
 
i was helpful, i gave him good advise, and if i was a bit harsh i'm not feeling overly apologetic about that, next time i'll have my coffee first before posting
post edited by Tweakberry - 2013/06/29 10:30:12
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 10:27:17 (permalink)
To the original poster: good luck with whatever you choose to do.
 
I recommend Avast's free version of their antivirus software.  It has a good rep, and does not interfere with Sonar in any fashion.
 
If you still have questions about getting the downloads and installations performed, please post them, and folks here in the forum will generally bend over backwards to assist, as long as reasonable courtesy is followed.
 
I have used Cakewalk products for over 20 years, and have NEVER once had any infected files from them.
 
Many antivirus programs do allow someone to opt to allow downloads to continue, even in the event of a warning message, perhaps yours has that buried somewhere.
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 11:05:29 (permalink)
It's not unheard of for a virus to infect a commercial application. It's happened before, usually when a company has contracted a third-party to fulfill orders. All it takes is for one programmer to be lax protecting his own development machine to infect a distribution build. However, most vendors and their subcontractors go to great lengths to vet packages' integrity before they're released.
 
Far more likely are false-positives from anti-virus scanners. False-positives are quite common, especially in software installers. Just google "site:kvraudio.com false positive" to see a long history of bogus malware reports for products from reliable companies such as iZotope, Native Instruments and ToonTracks.
 


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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 11:25:41 (permalink)
I understand the anger and frustration that was felt--it's just that it should have been directed toward the faulty antivirus and not Cakewalk.
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 11:49:42 (permalink)
Endeavor to persevere...Finally got the files to download. I didn't count the attempts
but did get them at about 1MB/sec. Did get a two hours of sleep too.
 
And I did get my question answered.
So...Cakes file download process can fool anti-virus software into false reporting malicious adware. Why they have the process as such is because
it protects the users. ( I don't know how and don't care because I've been informed it is a good thing) So far...they are the only ones
that have that process in place to protect customers. (but I'm not finished - there may be others and it's been quite some time since
I've had to reload a new DAW)
Doesn't explain why I had to make numerous attempts that failed but I'll probably never know. May sound weird but I really
do believe it's like a mojo thing with me and the X series. Just any and everything it can do to rub my ass.
 
I can start X2a and hear my guitar...all's good.
 
For the help and moral support...thank you. For the rest- sorry, I don't know how to help you. I can offer that; name calling and
insulting remarks are not good character traits.
 
And...I will be glad when we get past X2a and it's history..I don't know how many times it's made me be "done with it"
and I just keep fighting with it. I do know it's been a three year run of fighting. Started for me with X series in 2010.
 
 
 
 
 
 I don't know what the format issue is...doesn't look the same as what I typed. Oh well.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 11:56:58 (permalink)
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I understand the anger and frustration that was felt--it's just that it should have been directed toward the faulty antivirus and not Cakewalk.


 
LOL....You sound just like my wife!  She yelled, "well it wasn't the computers fault was it?" when it landed in the can. "I don't know but it just
doesn't matter...problem solved." Maybe not the way others do it but it worked out very well for me. :) Well...maybe not...now I'm having to
start over and so far it hasn't been very smooth.
 
 
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 12:34:28 (permalink)
I can appreciate the type of guy you are(even though sometimes I think your rather stubborn)
but I do think your a real kind of guy, if I hadn't I wouldn't even have bothered.
im glad its working out for you, hope the x series gives you a fair shot, and you it in return.
 
im not going to ask you what possessed you to buy system pro.
ill just say avasts free av is light and doesn't even need to be shut down when using sonar.
its also free.
 
good luck spacey.

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 12:38:23 (permalink)
I used the free Microsoft Security Essentials with Windows 7. With Windows 8, Windows Defender is built-in and you don't need another AV or firewall program. 

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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 12:54:43 (permalink)
MSE gets high rankings in the AV software shoot outs and is light/unobtrusive enough to leave it on while doing audio work. It was recommended to me by Cake (I knew about it but I'm an Avast man) and they said there should be absolutely no reason to disable it. It has never interfered with my downloads, installs or general day to day Sonar fiddling (AFAIK). I do however keep the DAW rig completely isolated from the internet unless I'm downloading something from Cake or the other software providers I use for audio. I use my laptop for my general internet usage and on that I have Avast and a bunch of other stuff installed because I just feel a little safer with it as I've been using it for years without any problems.
 
I know you probably don't give a flying fart what I say or think but yanno... after all the problems you've been having you might want to consider a different AV software. They can wreak havoc on system performance and if you don't use your DAW for general internet stuff or only visit reputable sites and use browser addons like AdBlock and Noscript (with the proper settings) you should have no problems at all. The other thing to do is create a restore point and an image of your fully functioning system so that if something DOES go wrong and you get a virus you can simply use the restore point to get rid of it (will keep your files but not any newly added programs or registry changes) or in the worst case scenario your system image (will put everything back to the way it was when the image was made but you lose any new files too so make backups as you work).
 
Seriously I have been forced to work on computers that had resource hog AVs on them and they make the computers sluggish and a real pain to use. AVG and Spyware Doctor were some bad ones.
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 13:11:23 (permalink)
I totally agree with Beep. Except for the "don't give a flying fart" part. I do listen to Beep. As for MSE I never leave home without it.
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Re: Malicious Adware detected in Sonar X2 Producer 2013/06/29 13:13:03 (permalink)
Cool you got there in the end, would not want anything getting in the way of your playing or Luther skills my fiery, but very cool, friend.
 
Stay safe Spacey and I would recommend Avast as well.

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