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2010/11/17 14:41:07 (permalink)

Many years ago...

my guitar instructor said, "play me an A chord"..."play me another one"..."play me another one"....etc.
 
It is a very cool exercise if you're into that sort of thing.
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 14:50:16 (permalink)
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    my guitar instructor said, "play me an A chord"..."play me another one"..."play me another one"....etc.
     
    It is a very cool exercise if you're into that sort of thing.

    Sounds a lot like Mooch's latest song structure (I think it's about Billy).
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 14:50:23 (permalink)
    I assume you mean in different fingerings

    A mate of mine encouraged me to do that, just to learn the fretboard.

    It worked for me.

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 14:54:41 (permalink)
    ... And/or ... is that with or without a capo?

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 14:56:59 (permalink)
    Now you guys are getting all technical.
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 15:05:38 (permalink)
    Now you guys are getting all technical


    Spoken like a true bass player.



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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 15:14:49 (permalink)
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    my guitar instructor said, "play me an A chord"..."play me another one"..."play me another one"....etc.
     
    It is a very cool exercise if you're into that sort of thing.

    The better trick is not just playing another A chord ... it's this:
     
    Play me an A chord with hatred.
     
    Play me an A chord with love.
     
    Play me an A chord while getting hit by a Mack truck.
     
    Play me an A chord like you love to stroke a kitty kat.
     
    Play me an A chord with the same attitude that you do when you are practicing your A chord.
     
    Play me an A chord with the attitude that you apply to yourself when you have to do some exercise to drop a pound or two.
     
    ... and on and on ...
     
    The issue here is that each one of those is an A chord, but they will all feel differently ... and if you do that enough ... you WILL learn to play a guitar better than most people around you ... since most of them are just playing notes!
     
    It's an excellent exercise in acting ... and it teaches you to "feel", rather than anything else ... and once you develop that inner feel, the rest is easy and just fun all around ...
     
    (Hint ... can't cheat and use effects on this exercise!)

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 15:15:08 (permalink)
    I really wasn't prepared for questions...?
    I remember I didn't have any for him.
    I remember that I didn't know very many A chords.
    I remember that I wasn't very quick about building them either.
    But the part that really fooled me was not realizing I didn't have
    to include the root....in that started real confusion about what other
    intervals can be left out...geeze. It's then I realized all the rules were for
    nothing more than to give you a starting place....if ya needed one.

    It was also then that I realized and still do about the importance of Bapu.
    Without him how do I know what the chord is?
     
    Oh yeah...sometimes he likes to be funny and try to fool you. True characteristics of
    a good bassist.

    post edited by spacey - 2010/11/17 15:17:21
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 15:16:54 (permalink)
    Play an "A" chord like you have a big _______


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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 15:23:32 (permalink)
    Forgot to answer and clarify...
    "Play me an A chord" means exactly that.
    Any "A" chord in any way that you can play it.
    If you can play an Am11 add 9 with your nose, toes, fingers and big____... well I guess
    that counts.
     
    And may qualify you as unique too.
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 15:27:23 (permalink)
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    Now you guys are getting all technical


    Spoken like a true bass player.


    I really think, and a lot of the music I listen to suggests it, that it is a lot less "technical" than we imagine ... it's much more "exploring" and then finding something that sounds good and right and feels better with the way you pick/feel the strings.
     
    All the great players we emulate have a "feel" of their own ... and you can not acquire that on mechanics along ... which is hilarious when you see all these bass and guitar software things out there ... teach them nothing is the end result, and few people understand that fundamental difference between a lot of great players and everyone else. Most "great players" are very special because of the feel ... if you were to break down just the notes and chords they play ... it's fairly fundamental ... but how you adjust those to the feel you have is another story ... and what the exercise above is about.
     
    Check out The Edge in "It's Gonna Get Loud" ... the notes themselves sound horrible. But learning to play them around the effects is another story!
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2010/11/17 15:28:38

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 17:00:22 (permalink)
    I'm trying to play an A Chord like I can understand Moshkie's post. I've even broken out the old Mel Bay books. Nothing!

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 17:10:39 (permalink)
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    I'm trying to play an A Chord like I can understand Moshkie's post. I've even broken out the old Mel Bay books. Nothing!

    Randy

     
    Ache whored
     
     
    Simples
     
     

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 17:27:46 (permalink)
    Ache whored

    We'd Roach He

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 17:33:32 (permalink)
    I'm trying to play an A Chord like I can understand Moshkie's post.


    He's saying emotion is an important factor in playing music and should be practiced too,
    it's not just a bunch of theory.

    I totally agree with that.

    At least that's what I think he was saying

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 17:36:23 (permalink)
    I totally agree with that. At least that's what I think he was saying



    You just made a friend for life (in Mosh).


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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/17 20:02:44 (permalink)
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    spacey


    my guitar instructor said, "play me an A chord"..."play me another one"..."play me another one"....etc.
     
    It is a very cool exercise if you're into that sort of thing.

    The better trick is not just playing another A chord ... it's this:
     
    Play me an A chord with hatred.
     
    Play me an A chord with love.
     
    Play me an A chord while getting hit by a Mack truck.
     
    Play me an A chord like you love to stroke a kitty kat.
     
    Play me an A chord with the same attitude that you do when you are practicing your A chord.
     
    Play me an A chord with the attitude that you apply to yourself when you have to do some exercise to drop a pound or two.
     
    ... and on and on ...
     
    The issue here is that each one of those is an A chord, but they will all feel differently ... and if you do that enough ... you WILL learn to play a guitar better than most people around you ... since most of them are just playing notes!
     
    It's an excellent exercise in acting ... and it teaches you to "feel", rather than anything else ... and once you develop that inner feel, the rest is easy and just fun all around ...
     
    (Hint ... can't cheat and use effects on this exercise!)

    Mosh...my reasoning is that one learns the chords to learn how they sound. In learning to create
    the sound an artist will then learn which sound (chord) to "talk" or say something...to try and relate
    an emotion.
    So I guess we differ in the order. Understanding chord structure- structure on the fretboard (or instrument)
    - sound recognition ( knowing when hearing what chord it is)- then the study of tension and release (chord progressions).
    Many altered chords as well, not unlike modal or super imposing, can be hard for a musician to get a handle on...
    takes time and practice.
    One should become familiar with sound to expand their vocabulary. That is when they may be able to
    express themselves more- to express with the emotions you mention and for them to be heard and felt
    by others.
     
    Well it makes sense to me as I've spent years trying to be able to....I see many more years (hopefully) of
    trying to learn how to say whatever it is I need to say.
     
    Above I mentioned "learn the structure"- there are many ways that guitarist learn this.
    It may be "forms". It doesn't mean one has to learn theory or chord construction. I do believe
    that learning theory is a highly excepted way to make learning easier. I also think that when
    one believes that learning theory hampers creativity is wrong.
    I've known many guitarist that learned many different ways. I've never found anything that indicates that a learning process determined a person's creativity. I've have however wondered how much more creative some
    that I've known would have been had they learned music theory.
    After all, the knowledge is a tool and much like a hammer- in the hand it's amazing what one may do with it while another will not as it is of no guarantee. The one that has that inner creativity will be the one that may make it work wonders.
     
    I only wanted to share a fun exercise that will definately open doors.
    Play an A.  and find how many you can play.
    Play an Am  - how many can you play.
    Play an A7 - how many can you play.
    Play an A9  - how many...
    Play an A maj7 - how many...
    I'm sure I've made the exercise clear and hope it may be of help.
     
    And don't feel bad if the only A7#9 you know is the Hendrix chord. Instead let it be
    a reason to have some fun.
     
     
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 15:15:30 (permalink)
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    I'm trying to play an A Chord like I can understand Moshkie's post.


    He's saying emotion is an important factor in playing music and should be practiced too,
    it's not just a bunch of theory.

    I totally agree with that.

    At least that's what I think he was saying
    It's an argument I have with the folks in the Coffee House area ... it comes and goes and they are always thinking Michelangelo instead of Venus de Milo!
     
    There is a point to that original idea ... you learn the frets and the notes on the neck of a bass, or guitar. But the real point is that knowing all the notes is not going to be enough the day you want to take the music further and get better ... you have to incorporate your person into it, and some people here think that all it takes is Sonar 69.5 to do it with ... and I say hogwash ... you have to have a feel for things, not just the notes.
     
    In the end, it's about how much better one wants to get ... you can't get better just practicing ... you'll get so bored that you will hurt yourself or the guitar. But you can learn to do something different now and then that is not just about the note ... it's about how you shape the feel in the music ... and that is the main difference between most people that "make it" and the rest.
     
    No one, here, wants to see more of these folks here succeed and do things even better and take their music further, than I do ... but you can't do it very well when you got exactly the same thing as everyone else ... it becomes a stroke of luck and all you do is burn yourself out on the Red Lion circuit doing ZZ Top yet again!
     
    I work with actors and scripts a lot ... but setting the parallel with musicians is almost crazy ... it's like many of them are so important that  a suggestion that is different than telling you to play a CMinor 99.23-0582jsalfjwwa and a half is the only thing they know?
     
    It's also about pride. Admitting that someone else can say something that is ... all right ... in the end, an actor, or musician, or artist ... is only as good as they allow themselves to be ... and the day that anything that anyone says is not necessary, is the day that you think you are a star and you just want to sit and wait for the money to arrive. Can I say, good luck, then?
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2010/11/18 15:19:31

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 17:10:40 (permalink)
    Perhaps you can post something you've done? You know, a recorded piece of music that you've played that exhibits this subject matter you speak of.

    I'll be waiting.

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 17:15:15 (permalink)
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    Perhaps you can post something you've done? You know, a recorded piece of music that you've played that exhibits this subject matter you speak of.

    I'll be waiting. 

     
    Harsh, but fair.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Randy, I believe Moshpit is having a few problems with Music Creator 4
     
     
     

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 17:44:53 (permalink)
    Harsh? Nah, Strummy surely you remember my stump kicking days in the GT forum. Now that was harsh.

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 17:46:32 (permalink)
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    Harsh? Nah, Strummy surely you remember my stump kicking days in the GT forum. Now that was harsh.

    Randy

     

     
     
     

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 21:44:38 (permalink)
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    Harsh? Nah, Strummy surely you remember my stump kicking days in the GT forum. Now that was harsh.

    Randy


    Yeah, but you gotta admit, it was fun.
    Well, maybe not so much in the beginning, but after a while, i rather enjoyed sparring with ol' stumpy.

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/18 22:02:03 (permalink)
    "play me an A chord"


    I may have a bad cold but I know what one of those is...




    So where do I have to hit it to get the best tone?

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/19 00:51:34 (permalink)
    you guys are a little harsh on the Mosh. However, Mosh, you should really know a musician personally, and jam with them, before making the kind of generalizations you are making of "CH members" or whatever........ If you played an instrument you could probably jam with peeps?


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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/19 08:24:04 (permalink)
    Well this certainly went well.

    A fun excersise gone south. I should have expected that rather
    than a cool conversation of someone finding out the value of the exercise
    and sharing excitement and gratitude in discovering a new way to look
    at shapes/forms on the fretboard.
    But this ain't coke and I ain't trying to teach the world to sing.

    Like Jon I'm more curious now about how to tune an acorn
    and find a cure for the common cold.
    But until then....Jon hit it with a real big stick and it won't matter where.
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/19 08:34:35 (permalink)
    Well this certainly went well.


    Yeah, well, unfortunately it looks like some folks just have an axe to grind.

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/19 08:41:36 (permalink)
    I had a jazz teacher, who gave me similiar excercise. He said do you want to know "everychord" chord? And in about five minutes jotted "everychord" on a small piece of paper all up an down the fret board. And showed me how to change the basic triad from various inversions and what not. It was really cool at the time I remembere, he was a great teacher that gave me loads to work on in every lesson.

    However, now I still do revert to the same "hendrix, A7#9,  you had to call me out on that?

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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/19 10:28:42 (permalink)
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    Perhaps you can post something you've done? You know, a recorded piece of music that you've played that exhibits this subject matter you speak of.

    I'll be waiting.

    Randy
    Randy ... I'm a writer and work with actors ... I have written a parallel situation that I have tried on stage and they work ... in the end, this is not about me. 
     
    Here's the situation with actors on the stage. They know their lines and in rehearsal are still kinda throwing the line around, instead of saying it. You, the musician, have two choices (so to speak!) ... you just throw it out (just play it mechanically) ... or you sit there like many actors do, moving around 100 times trying to find the right phrasing that fits and makes it smoother all around.  (Even Bapu has mentioned that!) And in rehearsal, throwing in the proverbial sink, in other words, doing something totally different, and sometimes out of context, gives you the best example ... in the end, you don't look around the stage about how you feel and where you have to be to say it ... you accidentally find a way to say it that even covers the movement really well. It could even be something as stupid as ... picking up a cigarette in that ash tray that is not quite out ... but it fills out that little space a lot better ... instead of just doing something mechanical.
     
    And how you appreciate and work with those bits and pieces is the difference between the good and the better.
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2010/11/19 10:38:54

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Many years ago... 2010/11/19 11:35:24 (permalink)
    Pedro,

    I understand the concept, and can see the context.

    I was just taking a little poke at you, because of your tendency to bloviate.

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