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2012/07/10 16:10:36 (permalink)

Mastering Plug-In

I know there have been long threads about mastering plug-ins, but maybe, by chance, there is a simple answer to this.
  • I know a simple plug-in with presets is not the same as a qualified mastering engineer.
  • Still, I would like an easy to use plug-in mianly for two things: 1-loudness (dynamics) and 2-analysis and correction of any overall EQ issues.  Any other features that are simple to use are good.
  • The tracks I cut are clean, do not have large dynamic ranges, and do not have a lot of exotic or difficult issues.  They do need overall loudness plus some gloss and polish.
Anyone have ideas for something with a gentle learning curve and reasonably useful presets?
 
Surprisingly, an excellent engineer and technician I know just told me that he does not like Izotope (Ozone).
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:29:54 (permalink)
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:34:43 (permalink)
    Konradh,

    That is the mastering plug I use for all The CHB stuff I mix and master.

    When I do more Pop stuff I use Ozone.

    I have all the cool individual mastering tools from UAD, Waves, PSP eyc. but for (small  "m") mastering I use the above.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:38:50 (permalink)
    I tend to use Ozone now , but I am not that keen on the limiter in Ozone (well I should say that is a bit historical - Ozone 5 is better I feel) so I use PSP Xeon or Barricade.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:38:56 (permalink)
    Konradh,

    I should say that I am remixing a CHB song where I did not "master" it. I found that all it needed was level boost. For that I simply used Waves L3 Maximizer. I found that the mix was the best I could get it and it just did not "need" anything else.

    IMO, real out sourced (large M) Mastering would need to be done on a collection (CD) of songs if it is expected to sound truly professional. 

    That is not to say that some guys here DO NOT get great results on their own (I will not name name but we probably all know who they are).
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:51:15 (permalink)
    Thanks to both for the replies!

    Bapu, You are saying you use Slate for CHP?  Thanks.
     
    Bajan, Interesting comments.  Ozone 5 looks good on paper because of all the features, but I have never used it.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:54:00 (permalink)
    Ozone 5 is the dog's bollocks.

    And with modern computers it can be used on tracks and busses apart from the master without bringing everything to a grinding halt.

    Terrific value for money.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:54:21 (permalink)
    konradh


    Bapu, You are saying you use Slate for CHB?  Thanks. 
    Yup for the last two songs* I mix and mastered for us in The CHB.


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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:54:28 (permalink)
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    post edited by Chaos Choir - 2012/08/27 11:48:05
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 16:59:47 (permalink)
    If you are not going to go and have your track done by a professional mastering engineer, with a real mastering studio then; Sonar has everything you need for mastering. 

    Linear Phase Multi-band dynamics + Linear Phase EQ + Transparent Look Ahead Brickwall Limiter = Home Brew Master

    The real trick is learning how to properly use a multi-band dynamic plugin.  And understanding how much gain you can get away with.  If you go to a professional mastering engineer, with a bad mix..  You get a bad master.  Same deal when you go to your VST Plugin Folder looking for your Mastering FX Chain.

    I'd love to use the Concrete Limiter..  but.. bills, bills, bills..  Its on my wishlist.  Here is the limiter I've been using for years and years and years http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=16

    Actually, the Multi-Band Dynamics Plugin inside of Sonar...  and the LP EQ...  That is serious value added stuff.  Its easy to ignore cause its, "value added," but that doesn't mean they are poor quality.  Actually, they are really good... 



    That said...  If you have $599 buy the Sonalksis Mastering Suite...  http://www.sonalksis.com/mastering.htm


    If you have $1198 by you and me the Sonalksis Mastering Suite.... http://www.sonalksis.com/mastering.htm


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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 17:02:21 (permalink)
    I upgraded from 4 to 5 and certainly think it was worth it - I know some people think they are pretty similar, but I definitely get better results (for whatever reason!) in 5 than I did in 4 - actually I never used  4 as much as I could have as I always was not quite happy with the result - but with 5 I find it pretty quick and easy to get good results. 
    I have used Ozone 3 a long time ago and I really think you would find the difference very noticeable.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 17:37:23 (permalink)
    TRacks3 Singles here, usually 3 of them in Series:

    Linear Phase EQ > Classic Compressor > Brickwall Limiter

    Sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on the song

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/10 19:06:42 (permalink)
    A good answer to Bill's OP for newbies and less serious users is to throw a Boost 11 on your master buss.  I know that this is going to cause a lot of moans and groans, but for someone who is struggling with just how to get things to work, using Boost gives some sucess in this area without having to learn about why there are better tools out there.
     
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 00:07:26 (permalink)
    Can't help but suggest Voxengo.. very transparent and hi end.  I have Ozone 5, The Sonalksis Mastering stuff and Waves 9.  Guess it comes down to the end users ear, but less has been more for me.  Ozone can really add alot of color if you don't back off of some of the processing.  Sonalksis EQs are sweet if you know how to use them.
    Take a look at Voxengo Elephant  ; )

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 04:12:13 (permalink)
    I've been trying out the demo versions of Voxengo and have just gone ahead with purchasing the Mastering Bundle.

    I love how transparent it is, and everything is laid out in a form that is easy to see and understand.

    The mastering bundle includes

    Elephant , Mastering limiter/maximiser.
    Soniformer, Spectral mastering dynamics processor.
    CurveEQ, Linear-phase spline equalizer.
    PolySquasher, Mastering compressor.

    Cost is $261 or £178.

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 08:26:07 (permalink)
    I use Sonar's Vintage Channel 64 in the master bus.  It has a pre-set MASTER MIX. 

    I turn VC64 on when I feel like I am absolutely done and confident I like my mix.  Hit the preset and listen.  My last customer was female voice against backing tracks, Adele-Type of stuff and vintage country. 

    To catch the stray transients, I follow up with BOOST 11 limiter.  My own preset that I made is BOOST - 1.3 dB and OUTPUT - -1.0 dB.

    One on song to add a little sheen, I used HF exciter with the BUSS POLISH preset and dialed in the SPREAD and the MIX.  This was between VC64 and Boost11

    The VC64 with Master Mix preset does a good job heating up the mix.  I could probably live without Boost11 BUT the boost11 catches those few stray transients and tightens up the finished product without color since I'm just barely boosting and only slightly cutting.

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 08:38:41 (permalink)
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    post edited by Chaos Choir - 2012/08/27 11:48:23
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 09:07:05 (permalink)
    I think there is nothnig better than the Fab filter plugins when it comes to software used for mastering. The Fab Pro L, Pro C and Pro Q are nothing but awesome!

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 09:27:41 (permalink)
    I may be in the minority here but I really don't think using any preset from any mastering suite/plugin is a good idea.
    Sure they can aid in the understanding of how the plugin works and its effect on the material,
    but the standard practice for any professional mastering engineer is to zero absolutely everything and apply compression/eq/limiting etc on a project by project or album by album basis.
    However, it's fair to say that some presets will achieve what you want perfectly.

    Standard practices, still relevant? That's an entirely different subject.

    To conclude I would say that Ozone5 yields superb results when used correctly on well mixed projects.
    And I think that's the key, well mixed projects.
    At the mastering stage there should be no wild correcting of any kind.
    Mastering should be for bringing mixes up to commercial release sound level and that purpose alone.
    Again, standard practice. And like I said, it could be argued that these practices are a little behind the times.
       

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 09:48:57 (permalink)
    CJaysMusic


    I think there is nothnig better than the Fab filter plugins when it comes to software used for mastering. The Fab Pro L, Pro C and Pro Q are nothing but awesome!

    CJ

    +1.
    I started with ProL and soon bought the other two.  Superb tools and nice on the eye too.
    I also have Ozone5 but felt a bit lost in it until I bought the Groove 3 video tutorials package which came out a couple of weeks ago.  They were an eye-opener so I'm going to get back seriously into it.

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 10:30:46 (permalink)
    Fab Filter does make top notch stuff no doubt.  There really are so many great plugins now from good companies, that it just comes down to personal choice.

    Like ChillDanny said, having your mix as perfect as can be is so key.  That way you probably will have to do very little in the mastering stage  ; )

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 12:46:52 (permalink)
    +1 for fab filter. I don't know what they did with their release algorithm, but you will have a hard time
    hearing that thing working. It's the most transparent software limiter I know of right now. Get the
    30 day trial and see for yourself. I would be expecting them to start a summer sale about now too.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 14:54:56 (permalink)
    Chaos Choir: I have Ozone 3 and 4 and still use both, a testament to how different they are. I prefer the harmonic exciter in Ozone 3, and the original Intelligent I mode is still my preference for instrument busses (O4's Intelligent II for full mixes). So to answer your question, yes, Ozone 5 is different enough from 3 to justify having both. (However, after demoing O5 I did not feel there was enough of a difference from O4 to justify the upgrade to O5. But from O3 there is.)

    I also use Pro-L, as it was the first limiter that I ever got better results out of than Ozone. However, I still use Ozone more often than Pro-L, especially if there are time constraints. As I learn Pro-L better (I've been using it less than a year) I'm finding other uses for it beyond just a bus limiter, so in that regard it's more versatile than Ozone. But to achieve results that are clearly better than Ozone, Pro-L requires a fair amount of fiddling. I still generally recommend Ozone for all but the most expert of users.


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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 15:25:55 (permalink)
    My Current Chain is all UAD, I LOVEs them!

    Tape to simulate Mixdown deck
    EQ to Trim some High and low at least
    Mulltiband Compressor to tame in smaller areas at very low ratios (1.5 to 2.5 max)
    Maximizer, not always, sometimes it helps
    Tape to simulate Mastering deck
    Limiter, when mastering the limiter should not take more than a couple DB

     
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 15:49:26 (permalink)
    I may be in the minority here but I really don't think using any preset from any mastering suite/plugin is a good idea.

    Why would you assume that? Its pretty much common knowledge that each song will need different processes done to it in order to make it sound its best.
     
    I think or i would hope the majority knows about that, since its basically common sence.

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 15:52:44 (permalink)
    Presets are good for one thing - starting points.

    Then you tweak them to fit the individual needs of the song you're working on, which is what CJ is saying.

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 15:55:22 (permalink)
    I would not (necessarily) use a preset as is, but presets help users understand the software and give them starting points.

    Although it sounds counterintuitive, the more understanding you have, the more useful a preset is because you can see what it is doing and then go from there.  Until you are an expert with a software package, it is easier to tweak a preset based on what you hear than set everything from scratch.
     
    I am not a world-class engineer, but I have put in a lot of years in studios as a session player and producer, and have done a fair amount of engineering.  My tracks and mixes are clean, but someone who mixes or masters all day every day professionally for years is going to be far better than I am.
     
    Anyway, lots of good ideas here, so thanks everyone.
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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 16:01:59 (permalink)
    I remember learning from Rhoey Izhaki's Mixing Audio book how to set up a compressor from scratch, and what order works best for adjusting each control.

    Up until then, I just used to turn knobs, not at random, but without a proper procedure. Since then, compression & I have been getting to know each other reasonably well, though I don't consider myself an expert by a long margin.

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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 16:02:43 (permalink)
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    I would not (necessarily) use a preset as is, but presets help users understand the software and give them starting points.

    Although it sounds counterintuitive, the more understanding you have, the more useful a preset is because you can see what it is doing and then go from there.  Until you are an expert with a software package, it is easier to tweak a preset based on what you hear than set everything from scratch.
     

    Agreed =)


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    Re:Mastering Plug-In 2012/07/11 16:03:00 (permalink)
    I think its more intuitive to learn what each knob and setting does and then start with everything zeroed out.

    Why you ask?
    Because, if you start with a preset, then your signal is already being effected in a way that might not be good for that track or song. with everyhting at ZERO, you hear the natural sound of the track or song and hten you can adjust each setting for ther best results..

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